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PrintLost in the Vines: Further Instructions
News Type: Other — Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:21 PM EDT
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Desmond's psychic abilities will...
- ... become a power he can control7%
- ... be unpredictable and have mixed results71%
- ... fade away as the hatch explosion wears off7%
- ... never manifest themselves again0%
- Other (explain below)14%
Total Votes: 14
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The resident hunter, and some might say the show, returns to form and regains its edge, in more ways than one, as Locke comes to grips with his mistakes and stages a rescue for the person he put in harm's way.
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The fates of Locke, Eko and Desmond are revealed after the implosion of the hatch.
Note: "Lost in the Vines" is made for discussion of the series "Lost" on ABC. As such, here be spoilers! We talk frankly about the events of the night, speculate about future events, and so on. Read no further if you don't want spoilers.
Flashback: Locke
The Big Reveal: Desmond seems to have, or to have acquired, some kind of precognitive ability.
Summary:
Locke wakes in the jungle, and quickly sees Desmond running through, apparently naked. He tries to call out, but finds his voice can't work. He stands up, and Eko's "Jesus stick" nearly hits him in the head. When he arrives back at camp, he begins tearing down canopy and goes to Eko's church. Charlie asks him what's wrong, and Locke reveals to him that he can't speak. Through gestures, he says what he's trying to do: he needs to speak to the island.
Locke tells Charlie he's building a sweat lodge. In flashback, Locke remembers picking up a hitchhiker named Eddie. As a cop pulls them over, John jokes that he robbed a bank. The cop finds his many guns, all of which are legal, and the cop claims he can still take in our protagonist for picking up a hitchhiker. Eddie protests, saying that Locke is his uncle, then when they're alone asks why he has so many guns.
Locke enters his tent, taking a finger full of black island goop into his mouth and steaming out the fire. Suddenly, a dream sequence of sorts appears, wherein Boone guides him to his wheelchair and transports him to the Oceanic airport. Someone there is in danger, Boone says, and Locke needs to help them. As he sees all of his friends, he eventually comes to Jack, Kate and Sawyer, being put through security by Ben (Henry Gale, as far as Locke is concerned). He can't help them, Boone says, until he cleans up his own mess. As he climbs an escalator, Eko's bloody stick reveals who really needs help. He exits the tent and takes his knife, telling Charlie what he needs to do: go save Eko's life.
In flashback, Locke guides Eddie to a communal living structure, showing him their sweat lodge. There, he says, people meditate to find if they're a hunter or a farmer. Eddie asks which one Locke is, but he does not reply. They then sit down to dinner with several compatriots, and Locke says grace over his meal, thanking the Lord for making him less angry and helping him to find a better family.
On the hunt for Eko, Locke and Charlie find the crater that was the hatch, and then a fresh kill, and the polar bear suddenly approaches to protect its meal. Locke and Charlie run for their lives, and Locke turns to throw his knife at the threat. He hears a human gasp, and finds Hurley in the jungle, knife sticking from his canteen.
Hurley describes the confrontation with the Others, and Locke instructs him to go back and tell the Losties what happened. In flashback, Eddie and Locke are on orchard duty when Eddie approaches the greenhouse. Locke stops him, and Eddie asks what's going on in the greenhouse and why he's still not trusted after six weeks at the camp. He knows what's going on, he says, and he wants in... on blowing up whatever they're planning. Locke just laughs.
Back on the island, Charlie and Locke find a cave and this time Charlie stays behind. Locke approaches inside alone, holding only his knife and a torch. Hurley finds Desmond near the camp, still nude, and gives him one of his shirts to cover up.
In flashback, Locke enters the greenhouse tent and finds the two leaders of the commune packing their bags and arguing with each other. Eddie is an undercover cop, they tell him, and he's been gathering evidence on their apparent marijuana plantation. Locke points out that Eddie has not seen inside the greenhouse, and there's still a chance to fix it.
In the cave, Locke finds Eko being ravaged by the polar bear. He burns the bear to let Eko escape, and slowly helps him (now unconscious) out of the cave. He and Charlie drag Eko from the bear cave.
Hurley and Desmond talk about what happened in the hatch, and Hurley inquires what happened to Desmond when the hatch imploded. When he expresses concern about the kidnapped friends, Desmond says that Jack and the others will be fine; Locke said he'd save them, in his speech. Hurley doesn't know what he's talking about. Locke gave no such speech. Desmond blames it on his addled brain and walks on.
Locke, still propping up Eko with Charlie, talks about his mistakes and cleaning up his messes. In flashback, he's hunting with Eddie, and distracts him by lying about a deer and then points his gun at the young man. Eddie all but admits that he is a cop, tells Locke he isn't a killer. He's a farmer, he says, not a hunter. Locke protests, insisting that he's a hunter, but finds himself unable to shoot Eddie.
Locke and Charlie put Eko down for a short rest while Charlie goes to fetch water. Alone with Eko, Locke apologizes for all he's done, wishing that he had let Eko press the button. If he had, he could've gone with Jack, Sawyer and Kate, and could've helped them. Eko seems to regain consciousness, tells Locke that he can help them. He's a hunter. When Charlie returns, Eko shows no sign of consciousness, leaving Locke to wonder if what he just heard was real.
Arriving back at camp, people witnessing the injured Eko quickly request Jack, and Hurley reveals that Jack won't be coming back, the Others have them. We're (semi)-introduced to two new characters, Nikki and Paulo. With the crowd panicking, Locke takes the lead, saying that he will save Jack and the others, but for now helping Mr. Eko recover is a priority. Hurley watches on in amazement, staring at Desmond and professing deja vu over the speech that Desmond referenced before it had ever taken place.
The Big Questions:
Why couldn't Locke speak? Was there a medical reason, or was it purely mental? Or spiritual?
Why was Desmond naked?
Is there any connection between Eddie and other established characters?
Why was Locke pulled over? Was it a set-up by the police to build trust?
Was it really an incarnation of Boone talking to Locke, a figment of his imagination, or more "island magic"?
Who wants to take a stab at analyzing all of the symbology and metaphor in the dream sequence?
Why did the polar bear suddenly leave when Hurley showed up?
Was it really the police Eddie was referring to by "they"?
Did Locke shoot Eddie (off-camera)?
Was Mr. Eko really conscious, or was it Locke's imagination or "island magic"?
What caused Desmond's apparent precognitive ability? Will he be able to exercise this in the future?
Will Locke be instrumental in the rescue of Jack, Sawyer and Kate?
Trivia
Nikki and Paulo are never formally introduced to us. Though teases for the show claimed Claire would be "shocked to find Nikki and Paulo in Jack's tent," this scene was most likely cut for length restrictions, as the first time we see them is as members of the panicking crowd of survivors.
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{"commentId":336207,"authorDomain":"stevencwatts"}
I'll address a few of these, as I tend to do in these articles.
Is there any connection between Eddie and other established characters?
If I had to take a guess? No. But if there is one? Ana Lucia.
Was it really an incarnation of Boone talking to Locke, a figment of his imagination, or more "island magic"?
The creators have been quick to say that "once you're dead on this show, you're dead," but that doesn't really count out ghosts. It can't be a figment of Locke's imagination, because it knew things Locke would not have known. So my money's on the island.
Who wants to take a stab at analyzing all of the symbology and metaphor in the dream sequence?
This should be fun... it seems like all of the characters were exercising their current positions on the island. Claire and Charlie were growing closer and, apparently in a romantic relationship. Hurley seemed to be helpful and well-liked, cheerful. Jack, Kate and Sawyer were prisoners, in a way as Henry Gale analyzed them. (This reinforces my answer to the previous question, as if that's what each part symbolized there would be no way for Locke to know they had been taken prisoner). No clue what Desmond could've meant, though. Boone's comment "no, he's helping himself" is a mystery to me.
Why did the polar bear suddenly leave when Hurley showed up?
THE POLAR BEAR IS HURLEY, OMG, I SOLVED LOST. I just kind of threw in this question for fun, I doubt it'll go anywhere.
Was it really the police Eddie was referring to by "they"?
I presume the police, but I wouldn't put it past Lost to make it a mysterious someone else.
Will Locke be instrumental in the rescue of Jack, Sawyer and Kate?
I hope so. I'm glad to see him back, and I'm sure some (Brian Ford) are happy at the prospect of some Others-ass-whoopin'.
{"commentId":336207,"threadId":"48626","contentId":"406164","authorDomain":"stevencwatts"}
- 4 votes
#1 - Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:30 PM EDT{"commentId":336210,"authorDomain":"stevencwatts"}
{"commentId":336235,"authorDomain":"brianford"}
Technically - Desmond "was" sort of helping himself by running about the Island looking for some clothes and not really needing any assistance. In my answers to your question I'm mostly puzzled by him being a bit of a womanizer in the dream. Seems not like Desmond.
We still don't know why he was dishonorably discharged either -- scheming by his woman's dad? (I'm bad with names.)
Again -- Other than Locke -- Desmond may be my favorite character so I'm sort of hoping that he escapes some of the negative history that is associated with most of the other main characters.
{"commentId":336235,"threadId":"48626","contentId":"406164","authorDomain":"brianford"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":336237,"authorDomain":"brianford"}
Ben Linus may be imprisoning them more to protect himself and his kind while he tests them for potential to harm him.
That must be why he tortures Sawyer next week, too.
:)
I wonder if the metal detector has any sort of significance, though. The fact that it deals with metals when the island has been (until recently) surrounded by an electromagnetic field is interesting. Then again, I'm not a scientist, so maybe it's not.
Heheh.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":336250,"authorDomain":"stevencwatts"}
{"commentId":336344,"authorDomain":"softfacts"}
THE POLAR BEAR IS HURLEY, OMG, I SOLVED LOST.
Hurley is a werebear? That doesn't actually sound preposterous to me.
Who wants to take a stab at analyzing all of the symbology and metaphor in the dream sequence?
I thought it was interesting that all the Losties had pedestrian roles except for Hurley. He actually had a prominent job to play. This and his history with "The Numbers" seems to indicate he's a bigger part of the equation than most. Also, is it just me or was Kate "all whored-up" as my grandfather would say? She looked a lot different than we've ever seen her before.
I'm mostly puzzled by him being a bit of a womanizer in the dream. Seems not like Desmond.
He's been stuck on that island a long time without the comforts of a woman. Anyone with boobs better sleep with one eye open when that guy is around. That includes you, Hurley.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":336551,"authorDomain":"brianford"}
I think they have good goals (i.e. stopping Mittlewerk), but have resorted to compromised standards of justice to accomplish those goals. Lost tends to enjoy blurring the line between good and evil that way. Getting us attached to the Losties and then showing us the true heroes (Mittlewerk expatriots) as villains would be quite the interesting reversal.
Dammit. I'm constantly having to look information up because I didn't pay attention to some of the side projects. Mittlewerk is new to me -- just read up on him on Wikipedia.
Lost definitely blurs the line between good and evil but I tend to think that the line between good and evil is always blurred. The trouble I have: The castaways seem (mostly) to be straying to the good side and the Others seem generally to have stepped too far to the bad side for me to see them as the heroes.
The writers have a lot of convincing to do if they want me to switch my allegiance away from the castaways to the Others. If Locke hadn't been so impressive last night -- they would have been a step closer. :)
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":336230,"authorDomain":"brianford"}
Why couldn't Locke speak? Was there a medical reason, or was it purely mental? Or spiritual?
It's tough to say: He seemed to get it back when his spiritual quest in the hut ends -- so that seems mental. On the other hand, he was raspy for quite some time, and that points to a medical condition. I'm going to go ahead and call it a draw and accept that the island has powers that aren't scientifically explainable -- despite the fact that I've heard the creator's claim otherwise.
Why was Desmond naked?
My vote is on his clothes burning/melting and Desmond tearing them off in a stupor.
Is there any connection between Eddie and other established characters?
He certainly looks familiar.
Why was locke pulled over? Was it a set-up by the police to build trust?
I'm going with set-up.
Was it really an incarnation of Boone talking to Locke, a figment of his imagination, or more "island magic"?
I suppose it's possible that Locke could have figured out what he figured out without Boone's help -- but everything else he saw in the dream was far too prophetic to just chalk it up to "imagination". I'm going with island magic.
Who wants to take a stab at analyzing all of the symbology and metaphor in the dream sequence?
Not me. :) The dream sort of reminded me of that early commercial that had everyone dancing on the beach in seemingly random groupings while Locke did the Maestro thing. (I think that was Locke, anyway -- it's been awhile.) I was curious about what Boone said about Desmond: "He's taking care of himself." (And why was Desmond with two girls -- let alone in the airport at all?)
Why did the polar bear suddenly leave when Hurley showed up?
I'd have to watch again -- but I was under the impression that the Polar Bear had left or at least that Locke and Charlie had escaped -- and "then" Hurley showed up. I wasn't under the impression that Hurley's arrival was the impetus for the Polar Bear leaving.
Was it really the police Eddie was referring to by "they"?
I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you asking whether "they" are the hippies and whether "they" chose him for his easily convinced personality?
Did Locke shoot Eddie (off-camera)?
I say no -- but I'm not convinced that Eddie doesn't meet some other unlucky end. Perhaps Locke loses the use of his legs trying to save him? Either way, there's more to his story and I don't think it ended off-screen.
Was Mr. Eko really conscious, or was it Locke's imagination or "island magic"?
Island Magic!
What caused Desmond's apparent precognitive ability? Will he be able to exercise this in the future?
I sure hope so. (Though, here's hoping he refines the skill.) Desmond is probably my favorite character -- with the possible exception of Locke (now that he's kicking ass again.)
Will Locke be instrumental in the rescue of Jack, Sawyer and Kate?
Yes -- I suspect Sayid will be involved as well, though. At any rate, thank god for the return of Locke as I was getting pretty bored with the "Locke" that they wrote last season. This was far and away the best episode of this Season, in my view. I finally feel as though something is moving in a good direction and I have hope that something proactive might occur that will damage the ego of the Others. (I had hoped Sayid would do so last week, but no.) At any rate, both Mr. Echo and Boone hint strongly that Locke will now be instrumental in saving Sawyer, Jack and Kate.
Question: Did anyone else think that Eddie's plan was pretty elaborate for a "pot" bust?
Next weeks preview certainly makes me believe that if Kate has turned -- she's gonna have a lot of explaining to do if she's just pretending. Sawyer appears to get pretty brutalized and it would be hard for Kate to justify any sort of plan if she watched that.
On the other hand -- if she has turned (or even if she hasn't) one can understand why Ben said that next two weeks would suck.
Verdict: Great episode. The magic is back and once again I have hope for the castaways based on Locke. Here's hoping the writers don't dash it all too quickly.
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- 2 votes
#2 - Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:53 PM EDT{"commentId":336244,"authorDomain":"stevencwatts"}
{"commentId":336719,"authorDomain":"gzirra"}
blockquote>Well, Eddie implied he thought the commune was planning on blowing something up with all that fertilizer and that he wanted in. Which seems very Waco-like when combined with all the guns Locke was transporting. Police might have thought they were some kind of militia when instead they were peaceful pot-smoking hippies. BTW - Hank Jennings has seen better days.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":337393,"authorDomain":"brianford"}
I took that as Eddie playing dumb. It might seem kind of obvious if he just blurted out something about pot.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":336234,"authorDomain":"praetor605"}
I really enjoyed this episode. Locke seems to be back to his old season 1 self and the pace of the show as tight and informative. The predicting abilities of Desmond was a nice twist to throw in as well.
Ben Linus may be imprisoning them more to protect himself and his kind while he tests them for potential to harm him.
That is a very interesting take on the sequence, I had not thought of that.
Will Locke be instrumental in the rescue of Jack, Sawyer and Kate?
You had better believe it.
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- 1 vote
#3 - Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:57 PM EDT{"commentId":336339,"authorDomain":"softfacts"}
I agree that this episode was Lost getting back to what it does best... mind@!$%#ing everyone. Now, lemme get cuh-razy!
First, Geronimo Jackson is back and throwing a monkeywrench in my alternate reality theory... maybe. I still don't see what the deal is with that band though. "This means something," said some guy playing with his mashed potatoes once. It's fitting to see GJ pop up in a Locke flashback, though, as a previous appearance showed Locke listening to their album down in the hatch.
Locke's wake-up in the jungle was nearly identical to Jack's in the pilot episode. Coincidence? The last time we saw the "polar bear" was right about that time, too. Coincidence? Furthermore, both those events transpired shortly after "The Numbers" weren't entered into the console promptly. COINCIDENCE!? Or proof of alien contact!? Like I said, cuh-razy!
Anyone familiar with the Philadelphia Experiment? It's a classic conspiracy theory about the government using a powerful electromagnetic field generator to make a naval ship turn invisible (maybe an island?), but it inadvertently makes the ship either teleport or time travel depending on which nutcase is telling the story. It goes on that the experiments with electromagnetic fields continued with Project Montauk to create a weapon which would make enemies schizophrenic but they purportedly discovered some benefits to working with the fields which included the boosting of psychic abilities and even physically manifesting thought. All kinds of bizarre experiments were supposedly run in the underground facility, like producing serums to make super-humans and abducting children for mind control experiments. It's said that the project was terminated when an experiment accidentally materialized a creature like a "Bigfoot" or "Yeti" which tore up the place and killed a bunch of people. A lot of it seems vaguely familiar, doesn't it?
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- 5 votes
#4 - Thu Oct 19, 2006 2:48 AM EDT{"commentId":336555,"authorDomain":"ryaninc"}
First, Geronimo Jackson is back and throwing a monkeywrench in my alternate reality theory... maybe. I still don't see what the deal is with that band though. "This means something,"...
Yeah, that one really threw me. I was really starting to go with the alternate reality theory, too. And it wasn't just a simple Easter egg...that other guy at the table pointed out the shirt, instantly calling attention to it. It really does mean something, methinks.
Locke's wake-up in the jungle was nearly identical to Jack's in the pilot episode.
That's it! I knew I'd seen that wake up sequence before! Thanks for pointing that out! No, I don't think it's coincidence...it means something, too. :-)
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":336540,"authorDomain":"sguido"}
Another strong episode.. should make the naysayers happy, with a Locke epsiode. I'm not a big fan of flashbacks, but this week they did it the right way with Locke. Compared to the Jin one from last week, this was to the point and it all made sense to the story.
Is there any connection between Eddie and other established characters?
I like your connection with Ana Lucia.. that would be very interesting
Why was Locke pulled over? Was it a set-up by the police to build trust?
It wouldn't take much police work, to spot the sucker.
Who wants to take a stab at analyzing all of the symbology and metaphor in the dream sequence?
I like what's already beem said, I'll just add that I think the part about Desmond means, he off in his own world. This is shown kind of at the end of the show, when Locke comes back with Eko and everyone gathers around, while Desmond remains on his own throwing rocks into the ocean.
Why did the polar bear suddenly leave when Hurley showed up?
Hard to say, but the bear seems to appear and disappear quickly all the time.
Did Locke shoot Eddie (off-camera)?
No way, Locke doesn't have the balls to .. and he's never changed. Now that doesn't mean one of those "tent" people didn't kill him. Perhaps Locke tries to save him, and maybe that accounts for the wheel chair. Locke is a good person, and good people don't shoot cops.
What caused Desmond's apparent precognitive ability? Will he be able to exercise this in the future?
The hatch was all about radio-activity, so who knows what a big Explosion like that would cause.
Will Locke be instrumental in the rescue of Jack, Sawyer and Kate?
Thankfully.. and most likely Sayid will return and the hunt will begin... but most likely not until part 2 of this season.
Nikki and Paulo are never formally introduced to us.
My first thought, was who the hell are these people? But when you look at the overall scope of things, most of the major characters are in different locations, so Locke needs some people to form a rescue army.. so give them some names.
The more I watched the show and saw next week's preview, I think this Part 1 won't reveal too much, but rather really setup the "rescue" for part 2.
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- 1 vote
#5 - Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:44 AM EDT{"commentId":336542,"authorDomain":"sguido"}
Oh and I forgot .. I know it's a TV show, but should Claire have a little bit of a belly? It's been what 40 days since she gave birth?
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#6 - Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:45 AM EDT{"commentId":336545,"authorDomain":"sguido"}
opps that should have been shouldn't Claire have a belly.
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{"commentId":337495,"authorDomain":"greta"}
it all depends on the woman. some will still look pregnant for months after giving birth. some will be back to their pre-pregancy size in a few weeks. i think the latter is rare, and i'm pretty sure where you fall in that range has more to do with nature than the effort you put into it. i'm elaborating because it's a topic a lot of my guy friends have expressed confusion about and also one a lot of my female friends have expressed frustration about. friends on both ends of the spectrum actually. one works really hard and makes very slow progress, so that's obviously frustrating. another seriously was back to 110 pounds 2 weeks after she had her baby, and that was actually frustrating for her because she had SO many people say she was a @!$%# or they hated her. they were obviously saying it in jest, but if you hear it enough times it probably gets old. i think she would have rather had to work at it a little more just to avoid the reactions. anyway, maybe it's just part of the magic of the island. claire's quick return to her small size is a little like locke's legs healing quickly. or maybe they just wanted her to look that way because it's better for ratings.
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{"commentId":336559,"authorDomain":"ryaninc"}
Who wants to take a stab at analyzing all of the symbology and metaphor in the dream sequence?
I think that dream meant (and is going to mean) a heck of a lot more than originally meets the eye. Boone referenced each character on the island in some detail. He said that Claire and Charlie "aren't in trouble...for now."
He said that Desmond is "Helping himself,"
And that Locke "can't help Jack, Kate and Sawyer...yet."
There were so many references and tiny details in that dream sequence that I'm convinced it was major foreshadowing. We're going to see elements in that dream coming back for several episodes, if not the whole season.
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- 1 vote
#7 - Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:59 AM EDT{"commentId":336561,"authorDomain":"stevencwatts"}
One part of the vision that I missed and was recently reminded of. Sun and Jin are arguing, and Boone says "Sayid can handle it." Again, if memory serves there'd be no way for Locke to know that those three were together. And why Boone claims Sayid can handle their argument, I don't know, since he didn't seem extremely helpful or anything in the last episode.
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- 2 votes
#8 - Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:00 AM EDT{"commentId":337267,"authorDomain":"bmvaughn"}
That was a metaphor for the fact that Sayid will protect Sun and Jin on the other side of the island :)
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":336707,"authorDomain":"gzirra"}
Was it really an incarnation of Boone talking to Locke, a figment of his imagination, or more "island magic"?
I think it was the peyote-like substance and the sweat lodge "vision quest." I bet we learn that Locke has spent some time with Navajo or Ojibway to learn about the roots/concoction paste he swallowed. I didn't think the sweat-lodge dream had any island magic.
Did Locke shoot Eddie (off-camera)?
At first I thought "no way." Then, after Mr. Eko tells is semi-conscious and tells Locke that he's a hunter, I started to have second thoughts. If I had to put money on it, I'd vote no.
What caused Desmond's apparent precognitive ability? Will he be able to exercise this in the future?
I didn't even think it was precognitive - I'd assumed that he and Locke had futher dealings during the day they were missing but that memory had been blurred by the after-effects of the hatch implosion. (speaking of which, I'm very curious to find out how they escaped from the hatch). But after hearing the theory, it is interesting, and may be why he was staring off into the sea, because he has foreseen Penelope's men dispatched in his general direction.
Why did the polar bear suddenly leave when Hurley showed up?
More interesting to me was why in the hell was there a Tonka truck in the bear's lair? And does the not pushing of the button awaken the polar bear(s) from some sort of hibernation?
Will Locke be instrumental in the rescue of Jack, Sawyer and Kate?
Yep. And he's pissed to have found out that Benry is the Others' leader. Fool Locke once, shame on Locke. Fool Locke twice, and you'll regret it.
A great episode.
{"commentId":336707,"threadId":"48626","contentId":"406164","authorDomain":"gzirra"}
- 1 vote
#9 - Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:39 AM EDT{"commentId":337050,"authorDomain":"brianford"}
Fool Locke once, shame on Locke. Fool Locke twice, and you'll regret it.
I would alter that:
"Fool Locke once, welcome to the club."
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":337069,"authorDomain":"stevencwatts"}
{"commentId":336829,"authorDomain":"darkside"}
EEEk, how about a spoiler tag, eh?
{"commentId":336829,"threadId":"48626","contentId":"406164","authorDomain":"darkside"}
- 1 vote
#10 - Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:44 PM EDT{"commentId":336879,"authorDomain":"stevencwatts"}
{"commentId":336924,"authorDomain":"darkside"}
No worries, I stumbled upon this via featured writers, hadn't realized there was a series. I started reading cuz it didn't make sense and then suddenly it all made too much sense... ;)
{"commentId":336924,"threadId":"48626","contentId":"406164","authorDomain":"darkside"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":337061,"authorDomain":"darianrawson"}
Is it possible that Desmond is only visible to Hurley? I don't remember anyone specifically other than Hurley talking to him, or hearing him talk.
It looked to me like Hurley may be afraid he is seeing things again. But, I could be smoking the ganja.
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- 1 vote
#11 - Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:19 PM EDT{"commentId":337076,"authorDomain":"stevencwatts"}
{"commentId":337259,"authorDomain":"gzirra"}
I thought at least Dr. Jack spoke directly to him while Desi was suckling back some whiskey (or tequilla?), and Locke had quite the discussion with Desi inside the hatch.
I vote for you visiting the greenhouse at the commune.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":337276,"authorDomain":"greer"}
@ gzirra: I think Darian just meant in this episode. Desmond was indeed visible to (and had conversations with) numerous characters last season.
{"commentId":337276,"threadId":"48626","contentId":"406164","authorDomain":"greer"}
{"commentId":337331,"authorDomain":"gzirra"}
Ah - as in he may have perished/disappeared to everyone else but "I see crazy people" Hurley. Gotcha.
Also interesting was the fact that Desmond was depicted as a pilot in the dream sequence at the airport - he did, after all, lead the plane to the island.
{"commentId":337331,"threadId":"48626","contentId":"406164","authorDomain":"gzirra"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":338087,"authorDomain":"michaelb1"}
I would wager that Eddie the cop is Kelvin the hatch guys son.
My only lead on ths is that Eddie was wearing a Geronimo jackson T shirt that he says is his dads.
There was a Geronimo Jackson album in the hatch whne Kelvin worked there.
we'll see.
{"commentId":338087,"threadId":"48626","contentId":"406164","authorDomain":"michaelb1"}
- 5 votes
#12 - Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:37 AM EDT{"commentId":338111,"authorDomain":"stevencwatts"}
{"commentId":344885,"authorDomain":"carolynford"}
Do you think that Kelvin was allowed to bring certain items with him down in to the hatch?
How did Kelvin get down there in the first place anyway?
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{"commentId":345303,"authorDomain":"softfacts"}
I would wager that Eddie the cop is Kelvin the hatch guys son.
That's a damn good theory.
How did Kelvin get down there in the first place anyway?
We haven't seen that yet... but we know he worked for the government at one point and had a pretty big impact on how Sayid's life turned out.
{"commentId":345303,"threadId":"48626","contentId":"406164","authorDomain":"softfacts"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":345339,"authorDomain":"brianford"}
Well, we talked about this last night after she posted it and Kelvin says at one point that he "joined" the Dharma initiative.
(Which leads me to believe that the others can't really be the remnants of the Dharma initiative as Kelvin would have predated their involvement. There's obviously more to that assertion than meets the eye.)
{"commentId":345339,"threadId":"48626","contentId":"406164","authorDomain":"brianford"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":345341,"authorDomain":"ryaninc"}
We haven't seen that yet... but we know he worked for the government at one point and had a pretty big impact on how Sayid's life turned out.
That's right! I forgot about that flashback. Hmmm...
I can't wait for tonight. Let me just say.
{"commentId":345341,"threadId":"48626","contentId":"406164","authorDomain":"ryaninc"}
{"commentId":345284,"authorDomain":"michaelb1"}
ellen knew the cup that Saul gave her was full of poison.
OOOpps! wrong board.
This is regarding BattleStar Galactica, the other best show on TV
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