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LOST: Nemesis Finds "The Last Recruit"

Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:24 PM EDT
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By Steve Watts

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Jack and Sawyer enact a plan to split from Nemesis' group, but Jack has second thoughts about the escape. Meanwhile, Desmond continues his efforts to connect the Losties in the sideways universe.


Note: "Lost in the Vines" is made for discussion of the series "Lost" on ABC. As such, here be spoilers! We talk frankly about the events of the night, speculate about future events, and so on. Read no further if you don't want spoilers.

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Alliances are forged and broken as the Locke and Jack camps merge.

The Big Reveal: Jack has decided the Island has a purpose for him, but that decision led him into Nemesis' hands.

Summary

Nemesis greets Jack, and tells him he was hoping he would come. He offers to go off with him and talk alone, to catch up. Jack asks Hurley if he should talk with him alone, and Hurley says it's all him. Jack follows Nemesis into a clearing. Jack observes that he looks just like Locke, and says it bothers him that he doesn't know who he is. Nemesis says, sure he does. Jack asks, why John Locke? Nemesis says he was stupid enough to think he was brought here for a reason and got killed for it. Jack says he had to be dead before Nemesis could look like him, and Nemesis confirms. Jack asks who else he's looked like. He mentions how he saw Christian Shepard, and asks if it was him. Nemesis confirms that it was. Jack asks why, and Nemesis tells him that he needed to find water. He says the only thing he's been interested in is helping him leave. He says because Jacob chose him, he was trapped on the Island before he even got here. Now that Jacob's dead, they don't have to be trapped anymore. Jack asks why he hasn't left, and Nemesis says it has to be all of them. Jack says that Locke was the only one who ever believed in this place. Nemesis interrupts, saying Locke was a sucker.

Paramedics rush Locke to the hospital, and Ben tells them he's a paraplegic. He says he saw the hit and run driver, and the medic asks if he has a contact. Ben says he barely knows him. Locke says Helen Norwood's name. He says he was going to marry her. Ben says he's still going to marry her because he's going to live. Locke tells Ben his name is John.

The medics take Sun and Locke into the hospital. Sun sees Locke and starts telling Jin that it's "him."

Jack hears something from the jungle and asks what it is. Nemesis tells it to come out, and Claire approaches. She says she was following them because Jack is her brother. Nemesis leaves, saying they have a lot of catching up to do. Jack starts to apologize, and Claire asks if he told him that he was the one pretending to be Christian. Jack says yes. Claire says she gave up hope on him coming back, but now that he's here it's good to see him. She says she never had much family so it means a lot to her that he's coming with them. Jack says he hasn't decided yet if he's coming with them. Claire says he decided the moment he talked to him; like it or not, he's with Nemesis now.

=================

Hurley asks Sawyer about Widmore's submarine. Sawyer tells him that they're going to use it to get off the Island, and Hurley asks if they're going to tell Sun. He says Kate is telling her now. Hurley asks about Sayid, and Sawyer says he's in the dark side. Hurley argues that they could bring him back, but Sawyer just tells him to keep his mouth shut. Claire approaches and hugs Hurley.

Jack and Nemesis walk out of the jungle, and Nemesis jokes that it's nice to have everyone back together again.

Sawyer eats an apple and offers it to Kate as she sits in the police station. He checks her file and reads off her crimes. He says she doesn't strike him as a murderer, and she says she's not. She asks if there's something he wanted, and he asks if she remembers him. He mentions that they were on the same flight from Sydney, and asks if she thinks it's weird for them to run into each other like this. He says it's like someone's trying to put them together. She asks if he's hitting on her, and he says it'd never work because he's a cop. She asks why he didn't arrest her in LAX when she was wearing handcuffs. He says he didn't see the handcuffs, he just saw a pretty lady who needed the door held. She realizes he let her go because he didn't want anyone to know he was in Australia, and threatens to tell the feds.

Miles asks to see Sawyer, and briefs him on the incident with Keamy, Jin and Sun. He shows him security footage of Sayid walking out of the store, and Sawyer says that's their badguy.

Kate tells Jack that he's different now. Jack says they're all different now. She asks what he said to him, and Jack tells her that he said they have to leave. Kate asks if he believes him, Jack says he's not sure yet. Zoe enters the camp and Sawyer mentions that it's Widmore's number two. Nemesis asks what he can help her with, and she says he took something and they want it back. He denies knowing, and they standoff with guns. Zoe calls in a walkie talkie, asking if they have a fix on her location. She calls in an airstrike and says he has until nightfall to return what he took, or next time they won't miss. She hands him the walkie talkie and says to call them when he's ready to pick it up. She leaves and Nemesis smashes it.

=================

Claire walks into an office building to sign in for an appointment with an adoption agency. As she signs in, Desmond approaches her. He introduces himself and checks her signature for her name. He asks how she is and she mentions the hospital, and he says he's sorry. She says no big deal, and mentions that he was right and it's a boy. He says he can't help but notice she's going to an adoption agency alone. He says she should have legal representation. She asks if he's a lawyer, and he says he's on his way to one. He tells her the contracts are complicated, but she says she doesn't have money for a lawyer. He follows her into the elevator and tells her his lawyer owes him a favor, so why not come and meet her? He promises it won't cost a cent. She reluctantly agrees.

She follows him into an office and he checks in with a receptionist. Claire thanks him, and Ilana comes out to greet him. Ilana pauses and asks if she's Claire Littleton from Australia. She says it's a coincidence, they've been looking for her. She asks Desmond if he minds if she speaks alone for a few minutes.

Claire asks Hurley what's going on, and he says people are trying to kill them again. Nemesis says that this is happening prematurely but he expected a fight. He tells everyone to gather their things so they can go get on the plane. He tells Sawyer to get the boat so they can sail to the other Island together. Sawyer asks why they're not all going together. Sawyer says the bigger the group the slower it moves. Sawyer asks Kate to accompany him. Nemesis asks Sayid for a word.

Sawyer approaches Jack in private and asks for a hand. He says they're not going to the rendevouz point, since he has a deal with Widmore. He says the first Jack has, come back to a specific spot. He tells him to grab Hurley, Sun, and Frank. Jack asks about Claire and Sayid, but Sawyer says Sayid is on the other side now and Claire is nuts. Jack asks how he'll get away, and Sawyer tells him to figure it out.

Kate asks what that was about. Sawyer says, guy talk.

Nemesis tells Sayid to get to Desmond, and Sayid says he thought he wasn't giving him back. Nemesis says he wants him to kill him, and asks if it will be a problem. He asks if Sayid still wants what he asked him for. Sayid says yes, and Nemesis tells him to go do what he said.

=================

Sayid approaches the well with a gun. Desmond asks what he was offered. He says if Sayid is going to shoot him in cold brother, he has a right to know what he's getting in exchange for it. Sayid says he was told he could get back something he lost -- the woman he loved. Desmond asks where she is now. Sayid says she's dead, and Desmond asks what makes him think Locke can bring her back. Sayid says that he died, and he was brought back. Desmond asks what he would tell her. He says that when this woman asks what he did to be with her again, what is he going to tell her?

Sayid rushes into the house, packing his things. Nadia asks what's going on, and he simply says he took care of it. He insists that he has to leave. Nadia asks if he hurt someone. He says he's leaving and he's never going to be able to come back again. The doorbell rings, and Nadia asks what he did. She goes to answer the door, and Miles says it's the LAPD. She opens the door and he introduces himself. He notices the suitcase in the living room. Meanwhile, Sayid sneaks out the back, but Sawyer trips him with a hose. He draws his gun and arrests him.

Sawyer finds the boat with Kate. She asks if this is a good idea, going to get Nemesis. He says it's a terrible idea, that's why they're not going to do it. He tells her about the plan to leave with Jack and the others. She asks about Claire, and Sawyer says the Claire she came back for is gone now. Kate insists, but Sawyer says she's dangerous now, especially too dangerous to be around Aaron. He says they don't have much time so they should get going. They both get into the water to retrieve the boat.

Nemesis leads his people through the jungle. Jack walks next to Claire, and asks how long she's been with Nemesis. She says ever since he left. Jack asks if he trusts him, and Claire says yes, because he didn't abandon her.

Nemesis pulls Sun aside and asks about Sayid. She doesn't reply, and he asks if she's giving the silent treatment. She writes that he did this to her, and he says he didn't do anything to her. Nemesis tells Cindy to go ahead and he'll catch up. He says he just wants to make sure nobody gets left behind. Jack stops Hurley, Sun, and Frank, and tells them to follow him. Hurley says they should stick to Sawyer's plan, and Jack says this is Sawyer's plan. Claire watches as they separate from the group.

Sayid walks through the jungle. Nemesis finds him and asks where he's been. Sayid says he shot an unarmed man, and he needed a moment. Nemesis asks if he killed him. Sayid says he did, and to go check if he'd like. Nemesis tells him to come, they have a boat to catch.

Jack leads his people through the jungle to meet with Sawyer. Frank says he hopes he knows where he's going, because Nemesis moves faster than he does. Hurley spots the boat and they quickly board. Sawyer says the boat won't work without a bearing. The sub is the only way, so that's what they're using. A gun is cocked, and they turn to see Claire. She asks where they're going. Kate assures her that it's okay, and they're leaving the Island. Claire asks why they're not waiting for John. Kate says, because it's not John, and whoever he is, he's not one of them. Kate offers her to come with them. Sawyer objects, but Kate says she's coming or Kate won't. Kate says she's promising to let her leave. She says she came back to get her so she could be with Aaron again. She pleads Claire to come with them. Claire lowers her gun and starts to board. Kate takes it from her. Claire says that if he finds out that they're gone, he's going to be mad.

=================

Jack walks into the office building with his son, and gets a phone call from David's father. He says he'll have him home as soon as he can, but they might get a bite to eat so maybe around 7. He says that hearing his grandpa's will being read isn't going to be exciting, but it'll be over soon and it's okay to be sad. David says he's sad for him. Ilana greets them and says she has a surprise for them. She introduces them to Claire Littleton. They say their hellos, and Jack says she found her. Ilana says actually, Claire found them. Jack says she was in her father's will, and asks how she knew him. She says that he was her father too. Jack goes silent, then receives another phone call. He says it's not a good time, and then says goodbye. He says there's been an emergency at the hospital and they'll need to reschedule.

The candidates sail on their boat. Frank asks Sawyer what the game plan is. Sawyer tells him the plan is to land on Hydra Island and get onto Widmore's sub. Frank says he likes that idea, and offers to get some food from the galley. Sawyer tells Kate to take the wheel, and goes to talk to Jack. He says he didn't think Jack would show up, since taking orders isn't his strong suit. Jack says it doesn't feel right, leaving the Island. Sawyer asks why not. Jack says he remembers how he felt the last time he left, like a part of him was missing. He says they were brought to do something, and if Nemesis wants them to leave, maybe it's afraid of what will happen if they stay. Sawyer tells him to get off the boat. He says they're with them, or he needs to get in the water. Jack says the Island isn't done with them yet, but Sawyer says if he wants to take a leap of faith, take it and get off the boat. Jack says he's sorry that he got Juliet killed. He jumps off the boat. Kate calls after him and asks Sawyer what he said to him. Sawyer says he changed his mind. Kate says they have to go back to get him. Sawyer insists that they're done going back.

=================

Sun wakes up in her hospital room next to Jin. She wakes him, and asks what happened. He tells her she was shot, but she's going to be okay. She asks about the baby, and he says the baby is fine. He says it's over, they're going to be okay.

David asks Jack if he ever knew his dad had another kid, and Jack says no. David says he can't believe he didn't mention her. Jack says grandpa kept a lot to himself, and David teases that must be where he gets it. Jack walks into his surgery room and David wishes him luck. The assistant tells Jack that the patient is bad, but he was already in a wheelchair. Jack looks at the scan and says he's got this. He goes into the surgery room and sees Locke's face in the mirror. The assistant asks what it is, and Jack says he thinks he knows him.

Jack stumbles onto the shore. Nemesis approaches and says, nice day for a swim. He asks if Sawyer took his boat. Jack says yes.

Sawyer leads his people onto the beach and tells everyone to stay close. Widmore's men draw their guns and Sawyer surrenders. Zoe says it's alright, they know him. Zoe asks who is with him, and Sawyer says no one, and Nemesis is still on the Island. Zoe calls in to turn the fences off. Sun and Jin see each other and rush into each other's arms. Sun says she loves him, and he says he loves her too. She tells him he never stopped looking for him. Frank says it looks like she got her voice back. Jin promises that they'll never be apart again.

Zoe talks to Widmore on the walkie, and holds her gun on Sawyer. He asks what the hell she's doing, and she orders them to their knees. Sawyer says they had a deal. Zoe says the deal is off. She asks if they have a sight line on Nemesis, and tells them to fire when ready.

An airstrike hits and Jack tells everyone to get down. He's blown out, and Nemesis comes to grab him away from the next explosion. He carries him to the jungle and tells him it will be okay. Nemesis says, Jack is with him now.

Cut to LOST

The Big Questions:

  • How did Sun recognize Locke in the hospital?
  • Did Sayid really kill Desmond?
  • Why did Zoe and/or Widmore call off Sawyer's deal?
  • Is Jack aligned with Nemesis now?

Lost in the Vines Trivia Question:

Of the two names at Ilana's legal practice, one was legible. What was the name?

This Week in Original Articles:

Once again those who write original articles this year will be entered (once per week) in this year's contest. Contributing original articles or being the first to answer the trivia questions are the ways to be entered, so feel free to write!

  • Crazy Lenny Had Connections (say what??)
  • Smoke on the Water? (pinkcap)

Next, on Lost: The Candidate (May 4)

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Steve Watts

Good episode tonight. Not a lot of new mysteries, not a lot of solved mysteries, but it pushed forward the narrative nicely. Talking to a friend today, I compared Desmond to Neo at the end of the Matrix. Basically, I think he can see all the "code" making up these universes. The Jin and Sun reunion was nice too.

Maybe it's just me noticing this, since I transcribe the patter of conversation every week, but there seemed to be a lot more "filler" conversation happening. People talking about what time they'll have dinner, things like that. A little adds context, but this seemed like more than Lost usually uses. Just an observation.

How did Sun recognize Locke in the hospital?

Crossing of the sideways. I don't think there's any particular reason she'd recognize him from Flight 815, so this was yet another sign of the two universes connected. She seemed terrified at seeing him, because she knows in the other world he's Nemesis. Or at least, she knew that when in a semi-conscious state.

Did Sayid really kill Desmond?

Of course not.

Why did Zoe and/or Widmore call off Sawyer's deal?

Just speculating here, but I'm guessing that since they had a few of the candidates separated from Nemesis, they just figured it was safe to call in the airstrikes and blow up Nemesis. Another possibility: they figure either Desmond is still alive, and is their ace in the hole, or he's dead, in which case there's no reason not to call in the air strikes.

By the way... air strikes? Seriously?

Is Jack aligned with Nemesis now?

No. But I think being "with Nemesis" is further confirmation that he's becoming the new Jacob. He obviously doesn't agree with his plan, but he's with him, as in accompanying him. You know, like a prison guard might be watching a prisoner.

  • 8 votes
#1 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:29 PM EDT
Syntactic Tree

The Jin and Sun reunion was nice too.

"Nice" is the understatement of the century; my wife and I were thrilled! Finalmente!

but there seemed to be a lot more "filler" conversation happening. People talking about what time they'll have dinner, things like that. A little adds context, but this seemed like more than Lost usually uses. Just an observation.

Hmm... I guess I was too caught up following the episode to have noticed.

If true, the writers need a way to keep us in suspense for the next four episodes, so they couldn't allow too much to happen tonight.

P.S. I am sure I could find this on my own, but on the off chance that someone already knows, what are the dates for the remaining episodes? They said the series finale is Sunday, May 23, which means a few weeks will be skipped between then and now. And since they didn't have previews for next week's episode - which is enhanced by the fact that they mentioned "Dancing with the Stars" is an hour and a half next week, as well - I gather there isn't a "LOST" episode next week?

P.P.S. ¿Dónde estuvo Ricardo por este episodio? Where was Richard this episode?

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:36 PM EDT
NotIntoMyths

It was previously announced somewhere (lostpedia?) that there would be a repeat of Ab Aeterno next week, followed by all new episodes until the finale, which will be 5 days after the last previous new episode.

  • 1 vote
#1.2 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:41 PM EDT
Steve Watts

what are the dates for the remaining episodes?

Edited this comment. Looks like other people answered it, and I had it totally wrong.

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:43 PM EDT
BlackRock Steve

By the way... air strikes? Seriously?

Not sure if you're kidding or not, but I didn't think they were "air strikes" or hear/see any evidence to that...it looked and sounded to me like surface-to-surface missiles.

  • 5 votes
#1.4 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:31 AM EDT
Scott (Scoop) Butki

The Jin and Sun reunion was nice too.

That scene got applause in the crowded theater in which I watch Lost

es? Seriously?

Not sure if you're kidding or not, but I didn't think they were "air strikes" or hear/see any evidence to that...it looked and sounded to me like surface-to-surf

I think he's saying it was/is a cheesy plot device and I agree.

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:52 AM EDT
partlycloudy

Not so sure they are actually "airstrikes" as so much mortar or even missiles perhaps.

  • 1 vote
#1.6 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:00 AM EDT
Scott (Scoop) Butki

I think steve - and i hate sticking words in his mouth - was suggesting missles or mortar or whatever - seems cheesy and lazy. If so, i agree. if he means something else i'm sure he'll correct me.

  • 1 vote
#1.7 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:27 AM EDT
Scott (Scoop) Butki

I don't think Sayid killed Des. Do you? Des told Sayid to think about what he would say to his wife if he is able to get her brought to life. how will he feel admitting to her he killed people in cold blood to bring her back. The fact they didnt show the killing suggests to me des may still be there... but even locke may know that yet, which is great

  • 5 votes
#1.8 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:37 AM EDT
mrosebud42

Steve....I didn't really notice the idle chatter. But, now that you mention it.... could it be just showing how normal the Losties lives are in the sideways universe? It's stuff that us regular people talk about everyday. Why should they be different?

  • 3 votes
#1.9 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:39 AM EDT
belle42

I'm with you Scott. I'll believe Des is dead when I see his body on screen. We neither saw nor heard a gunshot, nor did we see a dead body. As far as I'm concerned, Des is still alive!

  • 1 vote
#1.10 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:06 AM EDT
Shaun Guidolin

I didn't like the episode .. just too much filler for me for a show that has so few episodes left.

And my prediction is that Jack will stay behind in the end and fully become the new Jacob and keep Nemesis on the island.

And I'll give credit to the actress that plays Claire .. I've never seem somebody look so hot -- and then so not in the same show!

  • 1 vote
#1.11 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:30 AM EDT
Steve Watts

I did actually think it was air strikes, but thanks Scott for defending my stupidity. At any rate, yes, the plot device seems a bit silly in any event.

  • 3 votes
#1.12 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:07 PM EDT
Spikegary

Did anyone notice that Sun has not actually 'conversed' with FLocke? Does that mean that she is the only one NOT with FLocke/Nemesis/Smoky?

  • 7 votes
#1.13 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:43 PM EDT
Superman2001
  • How did Sun recognize Locke in the hospital?

Just like Charlie and Desmond could sense the other reality at the brink of death, so could Sun. And her recognizing John Locke was probably her recognizing Nemesis, which would explain why she was so terrified.

  • Did Sayid really kill Desmond?

Ha! Heck no. Sayid is slowly coming back, I think, and is gonna turn on Nemesis in a final redemptive act.

  • Why did Zoe and/or Widmore call off Sawyer's deal?

I think Widmore knows enough about Sawyer to not trust him. He knows the double-cross was in play. I think they'll still protect Sawyer and his company, but the arrangement is no longer in effect. Damned if he's gonna let that con man steal his sub!

  • Is Jack aligned with Nemesis now?

Nope. Jack is becoming the new protector of the Island. I don't know what exactly that means for his future, or for Nemesis' future, but he's not on his side. Unless, of course, Jack is on his deathbed and has a void that Nemesis can fill, like Claire did. But I still don't think he's gonna be on his side at the end of the day.

Another question I had: Why did Desmond want Claire to meet Ilana? Ilana apparently hadn't told him that she was looking for Claire, because she seemed surprised to see her there. So why was he pressing Claire to go see his attorney? Seemed funny to me. I guess that's part of Desmond's plan to get them all together somehow, but that seems to be happening on it's own...

Cheers:

  • Plenty of plot movement and meaningful dialogue, though one bit of this leads to a jeer of mine.
  • Desmond putting the Socrates' treatment on Sayid, which apparently saved his life and might have even snapped Sayid out of his zombie-mode.
  • Sawyer channeling his inner Harrison Ford: Get off my damn boat.
  • Sawyer tripping Sayid with the water hose. Hilarious.
  • Steve's trivia question. Stumped me.
  • Sun and Jin. That's the stuff.
  • May 23 is right around the corner.

Jeers:

  • I don't know why, but I don't like the Christian = Nemesis story, especially if Nemesis is saying that all he's ever done is try to help Jack. You needed water. Why terrorize him with images of his dead father? Why not just pretend to be a cute little bunny rabbit on his way to the caves? Also, we still don't have an answer to where Christian's body is. I'm not satisfied with this, much like I'm not satisfied with The Whispers (the LOST jungle whispers, not the oldies group; Rock Steady is one of the best songs of all time).
  • I'm getting tired of all the double/triple/multiple crossing going on here. Sawyer is playing both sides, Nemesis can't be trusted, Sayid is evidently putting Nemesis on now, Widmore is turning on the Losties; and in the sideways universe, what the hell is Desmond doing? He's all over the place. Although I'm certain that will play out well.
  • Kate wanting to go back for Jack. The man just jumped off the boat. You think if you just turn around and ask him to get back on, he will? Are you nuts?
  • May 23 is right around the corner.
  • 4 votes
#1.14 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:53 PM EDT
NCL70506

Superman - My take on Desmond bringing Claire to see Ilana was because Des knew that Jack would be there for the reading of his father's will. Since Desmond is "all-knowing" he wanted Jack and Claire to meet since they have the same father. I guess it's part of his plan to get the Losties to see each other and spark some recognition of the Island life.

I was thinking the same thing about Nemesis appearing as Jack's father to "help him find water." I like your idea of a rabbit leading him to water instead. If Nemesis really wanted to help Jack find water, he could have done it some other way than appearing as his father who just died! That is just cruel. It seems like Nemesis has been messing with them since the very beginning, and he is trying to pass it off as being helpful, but his real motive is much less noble.

  • 5 votes
#1.15 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:44 PM EDT
Superman2001

Superman - My take on Desmond bringing Claire to see Ilana was because Des knew that Jack would be there for the reading of his father's will. Since Desmond is "all-knowing" he wanted Jack and Claire to meet since they have the same father. I guess it's part of his plan to get the Losties to see each other and spark some recognition of the Island life.

Yeah, I'm sure we'll get more on that as time goes on. But it's definitely unresolved as of this point. I mean, even if Desmond is all-knowing, he wouldn't have known about Christian's will and Claire being in it. That's not something that he would be privy to, based on what he knows in either reality.

I was thinking the same thing about Nemesis appearing as Jack's father to "help him find water." I like your idea of a rabbit leading him to water instead. If Nemesis really wanted to help Jack find water, he could have done it some other way than appearing as his father who just died! That is just cruel. It seems like Nemesis has been messing with them since the very beginning, and he is trying to pass it off as being helpful, but his real motive is much less noble.

Especially since the episode was called "White Rabbit". Maybe the rabbit could have led him to Christian's casket, and the casket would have been right there near the caves. Or it just could have been a hallucination. But still, where's the body? I mean, he's manifesting as John Locke now, but we still have Locke's body. They buried it. What about Christian's body? Why is it missing from the casket?

    #1.16 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:58 PM EDT
    Superman2001

    Syntactic Tree:

    P.P.S. ¿Dónde estuvo Ricardo por este episodio? Where was Richard this episode?

    Didn't he and Ben go back to the Barracks to get more dynamite, still trying to blow the plane up?

      #1.17 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:09 PM EDT
      NCL70506

      Superman -

      Well, Desmond was going to see his friend/attorney Ilana, who happened to also be the attorney for the reading of Christian Shephard's will. I was thinking that Desmond got this information from his attorney friend Ilana, and therefore he knew that Jack would be there; I believe that is possible. Now, how he knew Claire would be in the building at the same time, I don't know. Maybe Desmond called and posed as someone from the adoption agency to make an appointment for her at the same time as the reading of the will, so he could catch Claire and direct her to Ilana's office. Just a thought.

      And, I am not sure that we know everything that Desmond is privy to now. He may have seen a lot more than the writers have shown us, and they are expecting us to just go with it.

      I wonder the same thing - where is Christian's body? It is missing on the Island AND in the sideways timeline. This is a mystery I hope they resolve, because it seems quite relevant since it happened in both timelines.

      • 2 votes
      #1.18 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:36 PM EDT
      say what??

      And, I am not sure that we know everything that Desmond is privy to now. He may have seen a lot more than the writers have shown us, and they are expecting us to just go with it.

      Maybe Desmond in his special capacity has access to his own "lighthouse." I think it's safe to assume George Minkowski got him the copy of the LA X O815 passenger manifest, so Des has the names he's looking for and uses what he "sees" going on in their lives in his special viewing mirrors to get them together. Their seemingly coincidental meetings are actually Desmond's manipulations.

      • 1 vote
      #1.19 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:06 PM EDT
      Superman2001

      So Desmond manipulated Sayid into killing three men, and then somehow manipulated things so that Sawyer and Miles would be the ones making the arrest? No, most of these connections were made before Desmond could "see". In fact, his connection with Charlie was purely coincidental, and it's what led him to this revelation. He's apparently gone out of his way to meet Hurley and Claire, and to run over John Locke. But the rest of them have nothing to do with him.

      I'm sure we don't know everything that Desmond is privy to, but it seems like what he's doing is using what he knows from Reality A in Reality B, and trying to help the passengers of 815 come to their own revelations, however that needs to be done. Don't know why he thought that running Locke down was the best way to do that, but now that Locke is on Jack's table, I think we're gonna see some major parallels.

      I don't like the idea that he has access to his own lighthouse. I just think he recognizes the original survivors of 815 -- maybe even candidates, in particular, but not exclusively -- and is trying to connect with them.

        #1.20 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:29 PM EDT
        Scott (Scoop) Butki

        Some comments from my sister, a fellow Lost fan

        :
        # "I loved the meeting of Sun and Jin but how convenient that she now can speak English upon seeing him?" It seemed ridiculous to me that upon seeing her Korean husband for the first time in 3 years, they spoke English to each other. Yes, I get that they needed to show Sun had her "voice" back, but speaking English with her husband? Really?!?
        # I think Fisher Stevens' chauffer from last week's episode who kept offering to take Desmond wherever he wanted to go is key to connecting the two worlds. He was on the show in 2007 as a "mysterious" character named Minkowski

        • 1 vote
        #1.21 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:36 PM EDT
        One Miscreant

        ..and is trying to connect with them.

        I think we should keep in mind, Eloise had a problem with interference in the sideways timeline. Something about those damned "rules".

        • 1 vote
        #1.22 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:58 PM EDT
        NCL70506

        Wow, Superman! A little harsh with your responses. I never referred to Desmond influencing or manipulating Sayid, Miles, or Sawyer. I was talking about the Desmond, Ilana, Jack, and Claire situation regarding Desmond's influence or intervention - in that particular situation.

          #1.23 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:35 PM EDT
          Superman2001

          NCL,

          Didn't mean to be harsh. I was referring to say what??, the comment right beneath yours. Guess I should have mentioned that.

          As far as him setting Claire up, I kind of wonder about that, just because Ilana's surprise at seeing Claire and the way she excused Desmond from the conversation seemed like she hadn't told Desmond anything about Christian Shephard's will. There's obviously something we don't know, and I'm sure we'll get more info on it, but that was a big question in my mind.

            #1.24 - Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:23 PM EDT
            Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute

            I'm a lil late to the party this week but am mainly disappointed in the "reveal" that Locke appeared as Christian to Jack. That alone doesn't bother me as much as the OTHER (no pun intended) PLACES Christian has appeared after his death; that revealtion seems to imply it's been Nemesis-as-Christian every time which seems bunk.

            On the freighter w/Michael, was THAT Nemesis? Back in L.A. at the hospital late at night, was THAT Nemesis? Seems unlikely but remotely possible, since no one else was really there to witness it. Could be that Nemesis (or "island magic") was just inside Michael and Jack's heads making them see Christian, as a more logical explanation than Nemesis leaving an island he can't leave.

            But 2 instances I really have a problem with this are: When Locke first saw Claire and Christian together, and later in the "post-Ajira" New Otherton where Lapidus and Sun were with Christian AND Locke. WTH? That would mean he was witnessed not just imagined - and in the latter case, that's committing to no other possible scenario than Nemesis literally being in 2 places at once yet in the same place (?!?).

            Without a better explanation coming soon, I see this as a major "oops" by the writers. It's things like this that make me "take off stars" from my sliding Netflix-style 5-star scale. I rated Seasons 1-5 as 5 stars each (well the last two were actually more like 4.5 for me). But this year? I'd have to say THREE stars right now and I'm hoping I'm done taking off stars!

            Don't get me wrong, it's still entertaining BUT in the same way you just go and watch a mindless action movie. It's looking like the "LOST" title is referring to all the LOST time we've spent trying to connect obscure points of the story together that don't/won't connect.

            • 1 vote
            #1.25 - Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
            belle42

            Yeah that bugged me too Santa Rosa. Jack didn't ask the follow up question "So when I saw Dad back in LA, was that you too?" That would have cleared up a lot of the other instances too if MIB said yes.

            • 1 vote
            #1.26 - Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:51 PM EDT
            Superman2001

            I always had figured that Jack was hallucinating when he saw Christian in the hospital. As for Michael on the freighter, I guess that fits, because Nemesis would have wanted Michael to help Ben keep Widmore off the Island, but it's still kind of screwy.

            As for Santa Rosa's comment about when Lapidus and Sun saw Christian at the Barracks, this is tricky, but it actually fits. Ben and Locke were on their way back to the Barracks themselves at that point, with Ben going to be judged. Christian told Sun and Lapidus to do what Locke says, and next thing you know, Locke is standing outside waiting for them. Kind of like how Alex showed up to Ben and told him to do what Locke says, and next thing you know, Locke is there trying to help Ben out of the hole he'd fallen through. He wasn't in two places at once. He pulled the old Clark Kent/Superman routine to make it seem that way.

            As for when Locke saw Christian and Claire together in the cabin, that was before Locke left the Island and died, which means that Locke was still Locke, not Nemesis. In fact, we have not seen Christian since Jacob died; before that, since Ajira 316 came back, we only saw him in the cabin talking to Sun and Lapidus. Now, Ilana says he's stuck in Locke's form, so I'm assuming that we won't be seeing Christian anymore. Not unless Nemesis was actually lying, but if he wasn't Christian at any point in time, then why would Christian tell Sun and Lapidus to do what Locke says?

            Also, going back to before Locke left the Island, it was Christian that told him that they had to move the Island, and it was Christian that clarified -- after Ben had turned the wheel and wound up in Tunisia -- that it HAD to be Locke that did it. That series of events led to Ben eventually killing Locke, then bringing him back to the Island, and Nemesis taking his form so that he could have Jacob killed. So the idea fits, overall. I just don't like it all that much.

            • 1 vote
            #1.27 - Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:18 PM EDT
            Superman2001

            Oh, and wait a second! In "The Man Behind the Curtain", when Locke and Ben go to Jacob's cabin, what really happened in there? Was it Nemesis? If so, why did Ben take Locke there? We know that Ben didn't really know who/where Jacob was, but why to the cabin?

              #1.28 - Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:08 PM EDT
              Reply
              jen-793050

              Remaining Episodes:

              Season 6, Episode 18 – Airs: 5/23/2010

              The End (2)

              Season 6, Episode 17 – Airs: 5/23/2010

              The End (1)

              Season 6, Episode 16 – Airs: 5/18/2010

              What They Died For

              Season 6, Episode 15 – Airs: 5/11/2010

              Across The Sea

              Season 6, Episode 14 – Airs: 5/4/2010

              The Candidate

              • 4 votes
              Reply#2 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:42 PM EDT
              Syntactic Tree

              Thank you for looking that up; I appreciate it.

                #2.1 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:45 PM EDT
                jen-793050

                You're welcome!

                • 1 vote
                #2.2 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:51 PM EDT
                NCL70506

                What?? I did not know this, but I am glad you guys mentioned it. I really liked Ab Aeterno, but I would prefer a new episode. Waiting for the finale is hard enough, but having no new episode next week is just cruel and unusual punishment.

                • 4 votes
                #2.3 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:47 PM EDT
                opus_rma

                Thanks from me, too, jen.

                But now I am all bummed.

                First, because the ending is so near. But mostly, because I just found out in reading that list, I will be unable to watch the two hour finale. I will be out of the country and don't even know when they show the episodes there. If at all. Hopefully, I will be able to find a high speed connection to watch the episodes online after they appear. Otherwise, I'll have to wait until I get home, 8 days later. Dagnabbit!

                • 1 vote
                #2.4 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:59 AM EDT
                T Bourlon

                What they died for??? Oh, NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

                • 1 vote
                #2.5 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:15 PM EDT
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                NotIntoMyths

                Good recap. I was most interested in the implied change of allegiance of Sayid and Claire. Also, Jacob's continued absence is interesting. I think this emphasizes, as others have stated, Jack's continued transformation into the new Jacob.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#3 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:44 PM EDT
                ranturn

                I felt like we were watching one giant web being spun tonight and being shown how every single strand of that web interconnects. Everything seems to be in place now in the sideways world where mostly everyone has met one another.

                Random thoughts:

                Did anyone notice that Jack son’s voice has changed since we last saw him? And we didn’t see Juliet at the hospital tonight. I really thought we were going to see her as Sun's doctor.

                Interesting scene where Sawyer asks Kate if she wants his apple.

                If Locke is so keen on getting to Hydra Island to get to the plane, how does he figure that he will cross the pylons and Widmore’s team who I am sure are guarding that plane?

                It worried me that Claire was with them on the boat and when Frank went down to find food and she followed him, I really thought she was going to do something. Now Widmore and Zoe should be worried that she is there.

                Sawyer’s best line tonight: “The pilot, he looks like he walked off the set of a Burt Reynold’s movie.” And I loved Hurley's reference to Anakin when Sawyer said Sayid had gone over to the dark side.

                I loved the meeting of Sun and Jin but how convenient that she now can speak English upon seeing him?

                When Jack was on the beach with Locke, it seemed that his hearing was affected – almost as if he was under water. That reminded me of the opening scene in the first episode of this season.

                Did Sayid really kill Desmond?

                I don't believe at all that Sayid killed Desmond. Desmond knew how to appeal to Sayid's "human" side with what mattered most to him - Nadia. He used logic and the emotional attachment he has to Nadia. Just like Kate did with Claire on the dock. Of course, Sayid took a gamble when he told Locke that he did kill him and that he wouldn't go check on it himself.

                Why did Zoe and/or Widmore call of Sawyer's deal?

                • 3 votes
                #4 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:45 PM EDT
                Katy-253048

                Was Sayid still carrying his gun? It's possible he gave Desmond his gun, just in case Flocke came looking.

                The Jin-Sun reunion was amazing, but totally downplayed. I mean, come on!

                • 5 votes
                #4.1 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:51 PM EDT
                pinkcap

                Katy - Sawyer doesn't know that Desmond is on the island. Sayid tied Desmond to a tree, then brought the Nemesis to him. The Nemesis untied Desmond and took him to the well.

                • 2 votes
                #4.2 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:36 PM EDT
                Katy-253048

                Pinkcap, I am aware of all of that. Sorry if I wasn't clear - my question was when Flocke caught up to Sayid (when Sayid told him he'd killed Desmond), was Sayid still carring his gun?

                • 1 vote
                #4.3 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:52 PM EDT
                BlackRock Steve

                Katy...good point and No, I didn't notice IF Sayid still had his gun! Will have to re-watch that scene and look for it.

                • 1 vote
                #4.4 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:46 AM EDT
                pinkcap

                Sorry Katy, it wasn't you, it was me. I read Sawyer instead of Sayid. Things are much clearer for me in the morning. That's a great question and a distinct possibility.

                • 1 vote
                #4.5 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:17 AM EDT
                Kylemmie

                ranturn - You may know this (sorry if I'm just being overly explanatory) - but the hearing loss Jack had was caused by the explosion itself. Didn't know if you were trying to link causes or just mentioning similarities.

                • 1 vote
                #4.6 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:40 AM EDT
                Lori-1673701

                I believe this also happened with everyone before to. I think after the bomb... I remember Kate kind of reacting the same way, almost like not knowing what was going on.

                • 1 vote
                #4.7 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:10 AM EDT
                say what??

                Sayid did have his gun when he met up with NemLocke.

                • 1 vote
                #4.8 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:36 AM EDT
                BlackRock Steve

                Thanks saywhat for checking that out....at this point, I don't think Des feels the need for a gun anyway. he seems to "know" what to do and how to talk his way out of or into anything!

                • 1 vote
                #4.9 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:28 PM EDT
                belle42

                Wow Steve, the way you say that is making me start to think that Des is the reincarnation of Jacob. Maybe the Widmore magnet opened him up to be 'possessed' by Jacob's spirit. He DOES seem very changed now!

                • 1 vote
                #4.10 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:32 PM EDT
                Lost in Space and Time 316

                belle & BRS - I have been wondering, does Jacob actually take "possession" of the "candidate"? Is that the sacrifice? that you have to give up a part of your own self/soul so that Jacob has a new form to reside in?

                • 1 vote
                #4.11 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:36 PM EDT
                belle42

                Well, from what we know of the Locke/MIB 'possession', the person needs to be a dead body on the Island. However this COULD be different because of the yin/yang nature of MIB/Jacob. Since MIB needs a dead body, Jacob could need a live body, etc.

                Which is a long way of saying -- I have no freaking clue anymore and May 23 is too close :(

                • 3 votes
                #4.12 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:41 PM EDT
                pinkcap

                Black Rock, Belle, and Lost in S&T

                It's funny you would say that about Desmond. I was about to write a seperate post on this, but I'll just say it here. I thought Desmond seemed very Jacob-esque when he was talking to Sayid. It reminded me of the conversation he had with Ben before Ben stabbed him with the knife. Miles told Ben that Jacob didn't think that Ben would go through with killing him right until the end. I got the feeling that Desmond believed that Sayid wouldn't go through with it because he was so calm. Maybe the electromagnetic forces allowed Jacob to enter Desmond. He was way too calm after that experience and somehow knew what he had to do. Lost in Space - maybe that's what Charles was referring to when he mentioned sacrifice - he'd have to share his body with Jacob.

                • 1 vote
                #4.13 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:55 PM EDT
                Jekazu

                Good thoughts. Makes a lot of sense.

                  #4.14 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:47 PM EDT
                  Steve Watts

                  And I loved Hurley's reference to Anakin when Sawyer said Sayid had gone over to the dark side.

                  As a lifelong Star Wars geek who's read somewhere around 50 of the books, that line touched a special place in my heart. Hurley's delivery was great too, trailing off as he realized he was pulling out a geeky reference in front of the tough guy.

                  • 2 votes
                  #4.15 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:18 PM EDT
                  Superman2001

                  Yeah, that was good. I still thought Sawyer would have known who Anakin was, though. I mean, Episode I came out in 1999, II came out in 2002, and III was gearing up pretty full scale for it's May 2005 release. I know Sawyer wasn't necessarily the kind of guy who was sitting in a movie theater applauding the LucasFilm intro, but, he should know who Anakin Skywalker is, shouldn't he?

                    #4.16 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:32 PM EDT
                    Katy-253048

                    Pinkcap, I understand completely. :)

                    Thanks for that detective work, saywhat??

                      #4.17 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:45 PM EDT
                      Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute

                      I loved the meeting of Sun and Jin but how convenient that she now can speak English upon seeing him?

                      Ranturn, convenient yes but I took this to coincide with how Sun had been shot in L.A. a couple/or more eps back resulting in her island English problems (the whole near-death-timeline-converging disorder, or NDTCD if you like). And being saved at the hospital happening reasonably close to the on-island reunion.

                      I could complain about the sense of time elapsing in both timelines (almost slower than 24-pace) but other than the Nemesis/Christian thing above my 2nd big "Jeer" is this Ilana-as-friendly-lawyer casting. Just corny and hokey. What is next, is Zoe going to be the adoptive Mom to Aaron, or maybe Lapidus as the manager of the L.A. Dodgers? C'mon! I know it's Earth Day but maybe LOST is recycling too much!

                        #4.18 - Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:59 PM EDT
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                        Herbcules74

                        Good Evening all,

                        Well it looks like everything is starting to come together. Where to begin.....

                        CHEERS: Sun and Jin finally getting back together.

                        Hurley: You can always bring someone back from the darkside.....Look at Anakin!

                        JEERS: I kind of found it a little difficult to believe that with all the careful planning that Nemesis has done, that when it looks like he may finally get his way, he would get so careless now. He trusts James to get the boat, he leaves Jack, Hurley, and Sun alone to escape, and he believes Sayid killed Desmond. You would think after being on the island for so long that he would know better.

                        I found this to be a satisfactory episode. We finally know for sure that Nemesis was Christian. (Unless he's lying.) It looks like Nemesis can only take the form of someone who is dead, and the body has to be on the Island. This makes me now wonder whose side Eloise is on. She is the one that told them they had to take Locke's body back to the Island. She must have known that Nemesis wanted Locke's body. This makes me wonder about a few more things. A few people have been talking on here about the possibility of the REAL Locke resurfacing and battling with Nemesis for control of the Locke body. Could that be Eloise's ultimate goal. To me I get the impression that Nemesis fears the real Locke. He is always berating Locke to anyone that knew him. He told Ben that Locke was a sad and confused man. He tells Jack that Locke was a sucker. I think Nemesis knows that Locke was right about the Island all along. That Locke knew how special the Island is and that the Island really did bring Locke there for a reason. Nemesis is always so defensive about Locke because I think he still fears him even though he is dead.

                        In the sideways world they are all starting to recognize each other. It looks like the two ways to remember the real world form the sideways world is either a near death experience or true love. Now that Sun has had a near death experience she recognizes Locke on the way into the hospital. When Locke regains consiouness after surgery I bet he recognizes everybody too. And I'm sure that since Jack is such a good surgeon he will be able to walk too. I just wonder how Desmond knew that Locke wouldn't die and that he would be brought to Jack's hospital. Is it fate?

                        I am typing this before Steve has the recap up so I'm hoping one of the questions has to do with Sayid and Desmond. Does Sayid kill him or save him. I'm going with save him. When Desmond asked him, what will you say to Nadia if Locke brings her back, I think it snaps Sayid out of the funk he is in. That along with Hurley's darkside comment leads me to believe we will see the good....hmmmm he was never really good.....let's just say the nicer Sayid again.

                        The last thing I have to say for now is that Jack really is a man of faith now. I can't believe he jumped off the boat.

                        • 12 votes
                        Reply#5 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:45 PM EDT
                        blackwidow1

                        Herb,

                        I liked your observation - To me I get the impression that Nemesis fears the real Locke. He is always berating Locke to anyone that knew him - You're right, he is always dissuading anyone who mentions Locke or Locke's ideas by belittling Locke. This would be a response of someone who fears ... or is jealous ... of someone else.

                        I bet Locke will be able to walk in sideways world also after Jack operates on him ... remember Jack said nothing is irreversible ... and he's dealing with a dural sac ... Jack is well experienced in fixing dural sacs!

                        • 5 votes
                        #5.1 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:57 PM EDT
                        NCL70506

                        Herb - I agree with you about Sayid. Since Sayid was infected, this is the first time that I actually thought and had hope that there is still some good left in Sayid. It crossed my mind when he did not kill Zoe and instead told her to run, but I was skeptical then. Tonight, it seemed like Sayid was really listening to what Desmond was saying, and I think it had a positive impact on him. Now what would be really great, is if Sayid chose to not shoot Desmond AND also helped him out of the well. That might be expecting too much from infected Sayid, but still, it would be great! Somebody needs to get Desmond out of that well.

                        So, Nemesis told Jack that he appeared to him as Christian Shephard on the Island. (We kind of suspected that already from Claire's experience.) What I am wondering is who/what/how did "Christian Shephard" appear to Jack off-Island after the O6 returned home?

                        bw1 - It looks like Jack is much more confident as a doctor in the sideways world. The assistant shows Jack the scan and tells him that the patient is hurt badly and he was already in a wheelchair. Jack's response is a very calm, cool, and collected "I got this." I was thinking "Go Jack!"

                        • 6 votes
                        #5.2 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:04 AM EDT
                        Pfemm

                        JEERS: I kind of found it a little difficult to believe that with all the careful planning that Nemesis has done, that when it looks like he may finally get his way, he would get so careless now.

                        I feel like Flocke is on "tilt"... He's having the move much faster than anticipated... He's been rushed to move from their camp... he's having to make a decision on the fly about who would get the boat... Who else could he pick? Sawyer has been with him the longest, right? (besides claire) and Sawyer was also recruited as a man who alienated himself from the group and was drowning his sorrows.

                        Then on top of being rushed... Sayid isn't where he is supposed to be. Desmond is a HUGE loose end for Flocke so Sayid's delay puts him even more on edge. and he makes another rash decision to leave the group and search him out.

                        I completely agree about Flocke's Locke degradation. and that whole scene with him and Jack made me feel like everything he told Jack was a lie. I like that jack has the faith now. It makes me feel like Locke didn't die for nothing now.

                        Also, It's nice not to Loathe Jack's character anymore... I am really really digging his character in both sideways and island timelines...

                        The confidence he has in the sideways is very awesome and that his relationship with his son seems to be on the ups. They seem pretty happy now :) and I like it. Steve mentioned that there is a lot more "filler" dialogue like about what time is dinner. but I don't it as filler. especially last night's dinner dialogue with Jack and Son. that was there to show how much their relationship has strengthened and grown.

                        On the island... he's finally just relaxed. and I don't feel that he's just a follower now either... I feel like he's finally listening... if that makes any sense... trusting in others and not jumping to conclusions. maybe that's what kind of makes him a better leader now than before.

                        You know it's good writing when you can almost despise a character a few weeks ago and then be brought to feel that they have had believable and significant character development. I like it.

                        Also HUGE! CHEERS! for the Sun and Jin reunion. I cried. I admit it. i love those characters and it's nice to see them back together again.... even if it's under prisoner status.

                        And I was SOOOOO happy they didn't lose the Baby! i really thought that they would.

                        It also makes me wonder how/when Jin will catch up... he is already with his love and it hasn't sent off the island memories. I think we can believe by Sun's reaction that her near death experience set it off for her. Does that mean that Jin will need near-death as well? or will Sun's knowing spark his?

                        Also... i HOPE! to be very amused by Locke "remembering" followed by his interactions with Ben whom he will have in all likelihood remembered killed him. lol.

                        • 6 votes
                        #5.3 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:18 AM EDT
                        Pfemm

                        OH! and i forgot to mention that it would be REALLY! REALLY! interesting if Sun remembers in the Sideways world how to speak English based on her island memories.....

                        I can't believe we have to wait TWO weeks!!! GRRR! I am at wars with myself... I want more Lost... I want to get the answers but at the same time.. once we get the answers and to the Finale... Lost will be over.

                        There aren't very many really great shows out there especially in this sort of genre... and this one is going to be sorely missed.

                        • 3 votes
                        #5.4 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:29 AM EDT
                        pinkcap

                        Pfemm - Good point about Locke feeling rushed and making careless decisions He seems a bit desperate at this point and desperate people take desperate measures. I think he had to trust someone about the boat, and Sawyer did a good job conning him.

                        I agree with you about Jack. He was one of my favorite characters for awhile, but then he became a disappointment. It's good to have him back and even better than before. It's almost like Jack entered the teenage years. Children are so sweet when they're young and then they become teenagers who are at times, annoying (correction, it's not at times, it's often). Fortunately, this period only lasts a few years, and when they emerge you have a great young adult.

                        • 1 vote
                        #5.5 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:35 PM EDT
                        One Miscreant

                        The boat was offshore, he had to let someone else get it. Flocke doesn't do swimming.

                        • 2 votes
                        #5.6 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:59 PM EDT
                        pinkcap

                        One Miscreant

                        I agree. I wrote an article about this. It was originally a post last week, but it became too long. The MIB can't fly across the water - he told Sawyer that in The Package episode. Smokey was never a presence on Hydra until he took over Locke's body. When Ben summoned the smoke monster to kill the freighter people, he sent water into the tunnels where smokey lived. I don't think that smokey was obeying Ben's orders, I believe he was mad and attacked whatever was in his path. My theory is that the smoke monster was imprisoned on an island because he can't swim and he can't fly off it. It's like Alcatraz for him.

                        I was watching the show last night for signs of this, so I noticed that he instructed Sawyer to get the boat and sail to a dock where everyone else could get on, including himself. Why did he trust Sawyer? He basically had no choice if he can't swim.

                        • 3 votes
                        #5.7 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:09 PM EDT
                        kcjhawk

                        A couple of weeks ago MIB/Locke told Sawyer that he didn't like secrets, literally meaning what Widmore had on the boat, but alluding to the fact he knew Sawyer had a secret. I wonder, since Zoe and gang were waiting for them when they got to shore, if Locke knew that Sawyer would take the boat and betray him.

                        Locke can't kill the candidates, and we really don't know what he needs to get off the island, so maybe he let Sawyer and the other candidates go, thinking Widmore would kill them for him. I have thought that he wants them all dead so that none of them can become the "new" Jacob. But, we know the rules says he can't kill them. Jack jumping off the boat and almost getting blown up was just a little bonus for Locke. Now he is with Locke and vulnerable, so that gives Locke the advantage.

                          #5.8 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:58 PM EDT
                          One Miscreant

                          so that gives Locke the advantage.

                          Does it really? I'm reminded of the old phrase, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer". Just as Desmond wasn't afraid of Flocke, neither is Jack. A candidate is only vulnerable if killed by someone. And we know certain "people" on this show can't kill candidates. Michael's advice was "Don't get yourself killed".

                          • 2 votes
                          #5.9 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:26 PM EDT
                          pinkcap

                          I think that Flocke has to get the candidates together and kill them at once. He will trick one of them into doing it. This person may not even be aware of what they're doing. He wants to get off the island and the only way to do that is to kill the replacement. Since he doesn't know who the replacement is, he is going to get rid of all of them. Maybe he's just happy to have another candidate to fool into killing everyone else.

                            #5.10 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:37 PM EDT
                            One Miscreant

                            Only one has to be killed, Frank. If he's flying them all off the island, then we got ourselves another "crash". The sub or the Elizabeth are other ways off the island.

                              #5.11 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:41 PM EDT
                              kcjhawk

                              I think that if Jack is unconscious or has a concussion and can't hear and is disoriented, this makes him vulnerable right now. I do not mean to say he will align himself with Locke or that he won't make a stand. I just mean at this time, he is not at top form to compete with Locke.

                                #5.12 - Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:55 AM EDT
                                Superman2001

                                kcjhawk,

                                I thought the same thing. Reminded me of Claire being disoriented after the house she was in blew up, and next thing you know, she's trapsing off in the middle of the night and leaving Aaron in a tree. I don't think Jack is gonna wind up on Nemesis' side, but I do think he's vulnerable at this point in time.

                                Either way it goes, if he's the next Jacob, then Nemesis can't kill him, same as he couldn't kill Jacob. So, no harm in being around him, except for the missiles being fired in his direction.

                                  #5.13 - Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:26 PM EDT
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                                  Aqualeo

                                  The Big Questions:

                                  • How did Sun recognize Locke in the hospital?

                                  It has to be the timelines merging. Maybe in the island future Sun sees what Smokey really is or even gets injured by him and that is how she knew he was bad.

                                  • Did Sayid really kill Desmond?

                                  no way

                                  • Why did Zoe and/or Widmore call off Sawyer's deal?

                                  Maybe Widmore needs all the candidates just like Smokey does. I don't think he could possibly know that Desmond may or may not be dead.

                                  • Is Jack aligned with Nemesis now?

                                  I would say no. He seems to really not trust him but he is with him. Smokey can at least have him there to use later. It really does seem that Jack is the new Jacob.

                                  Pretty good episode. Two weeks will seem like forever to wait for a new episode. I liked the reunion of Sun and Jin but we all knew it was coming. Was anyone else nervouse when they met right were the fence was? I thought it had them for sure.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  Reply#6 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:47 PM EDT
                                  Syntactic Tree

                                  Was anyone else nervouse when they met right were the fence was? I thought it had them for sure.

                                  Yes!; this was the first thing that came to my mind.

                                  • 4 votes
                                  #6.1 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:48 PM EDT
                                  Katy-253048

                                  They had the long shot of them running towards each other and I was getting nervous, too!

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #6.2 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:54 PM EDT
                                  jen-793050

                                  I thought the same thing about the fence.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #6.3 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:56 PM EDT
                                  pinkcap

                                  I was thinking the same thing. I had visions of Sun and Jin being zapped by the fence. I was so relieved when it didn't happen.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #6.4 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:31 PM EDT
                                  blackwidow1

                                  LOL ... I too had the same fear when they near the sonic fence! It always amuses me that on some things we all see things with regard to this show the same way but on other things we are all so diametrically opposed. Just one of those things that makes life interesting!

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #6.5 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:00 AM EDT
                                  Herbcules74

                                  I was thinking the same thing too. I was yelling at the TV....DON'T GO NEAR THE FENCE. I thought, would the producers really bring them back together just so they could get killed by the fence. If Stephen King was one of the writers I would expect it, but I think these guys want the happy ending for Jin and Sun.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #6.6 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:13 AM EDT
                                  NCL70506

                                  It's a good thing that Zoe ordered the fence to be turned off, because it looked like Jin and Sun were running to each other, no matter what might have been in their way. I don't like Zoe, but I am glad she had good timing on this situation.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #6.7 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:32 AM EDT
                                  sweetpeas2ds

                                  EEK! I also was screaming at Sun "DON'T RUN INTO THE FENCE!". I was sure that she was going to get zapped! It would have been just like the writers to play with us on how long Jin and Sun were apart and then zzzzzzaapppppp! Thank goodness they were finally reunited!

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #6.8 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:53 AM EDT
                                  mrosebud42

                                  Oh m'gosh! Me too. I was thinking..."What are they doing! They're going to get zapped!" I was relived when they didn't.

                                    #6.9 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:57 AM EDT
                                    Susanaree

                                    All these great minds thinking alike - scary!

                                    But I think I might be alone in thinking that the Jin/Sun reunion should have had more drama and passion - it seemed kind of flat to me.

                                    I thought maybe Jin would speak Korean, since that's what he was fluent in last time he saw Sun, and Sun would finally be able to speak to her husband in the language only the two of them share - ah the romantic in me!

                                    I may be alone in this thought too, but it seems to me that the pace of the show has changed - it almost seems forced - and the production values this season are more TV-like/less cinematic. Maybe it's just that I don't think you can get too much of a good thing - those sweeping location views are breathtaking, and I miss them.

                                    • 4 votes
                                    #6.10 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:15 PM EDT
                                    Rennie-293321

                                    I agree Susanaree...Although I am glad Sun and Jin were reunited. I was expecting something more. Something seemed to be missing. But still a great episode.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #6.11 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:10 PM EDT
                                    belle42

                                    This episode seemed to have the theme of reunion though:

                                    1. Team Hurley and Team Flocke (technically last week, but bled into this week)
                                    2. Brother Jack and Sister Claire (in both timelines, no less!)
                                    3. Husband Jin and Wife Sun (FINALLY!!!!!)
                                    4. Science Jack and Faith Locke (or is it now Faith Jack and Science Locke?)

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #6.12 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:14 PM EDT
                                    BlackRock Steve

                                    Hi belle,

                                    ...have the theme of reunion...

                                    Great point, it sure did! But, sadly it will soon be time for: "Parting is such sweet sorrow"!!

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #6.13 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:34 PM EDT
                                    Tommy Boy

                                    Me too, but the second time around watching, you can hear Annoying Noe tell them to shut it off.

                                      #6.14 - Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:51 PM EDT
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                                      Herbcules74

                                      Now for the Questions:

                                      • How did Sun recognize Locke in the hospital?

                                      She had a near death experience so like Desmond and Charlie she can now remember her life in the real world.

                                      • Did Sayid really kill Desmond?

                                      I knew you were going to ask this question Steve. Great minds..... Here's my answer from above. Does Sayid kill him or save him. I'm going with save him. When Desmond asked him, what will you say to Nadia if Locke brings her back, I think it snaps Sayid out of the funk he is in. That along with Hurley's darkside comment leads me to believe we will see the good....hmmmm he was never really good.....let's just say the nicer Sayid again

                                      • Why did Zoe and/or Widmore call off Sawyer's deal?

                                      I think Widmore knows all about Sawyer's past and knows that he could never really trust a con man. Sawyer said he would bring Locke to Widmore.....when he shows up without Locke Widmore knows Sawyer lied and figures he may be after the sub.

                                      • Is Jack aligned with Nemesis now?

                                      Hell no! I have a theory about this. I think, like what is happening in the sideways world right now, Jack is going to "save" Locke. He is going to do something to help bring the real Locke back.

                                      • 5 votes
                                      Reply#7 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:53 PM EDT
                                      Pfemm

                                      He is going to do something to help bring the real Locke back.

                                      ooooo.... i like this idea. :)

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #7.1 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:59 AM EDT
                                      pinkcap

                                      Jack is going to "save" Locke. He is going to do something to help bring the real Locke back.

                                      Herbcules - I think you could be right. I've been wondering for awhile if the good in Locke can overcome the evil inside of the MIB and that's what will end the conflict. It's on the order of what we think is happening with Sayid and Claire. Evil grows when there is anger, distrust, and hate. If you feed this anger, it grows. I think all of us at one time or another have been angry with someone. The best thing to do is to forgive because by doing so, you are free from that anger and can go on with your life. If you obsess about it, it has a negative affect and you end up being miserable. I think what we see the same thing with the MIB, Sayid, and Claire, only magnified and mystified. It resembles the story in Star Wars that Hurley mentioned about Anakin turning to the dark side, but he was brought back because Luke was able to bring out the good in him. I like your theory that Jack is the one who might save Locke. I think that Locke is somewhere in the MIB because he has all of Locke's memories. If Jack can reach the part of the MIB that is still Locke, he might be able to turn him back to the good Locke. Jack will be Luke to Locke's Anakin.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #7.2 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:51 PM EDT
                                      BlackRock Steve

                                      Jack will be Luke to Locke's Anakin.

                                      I love Herb's idea and what a great analogy, Pinkcap!...Hope you're right as I would really enjoy that type of ending, but, I fear it will be far more bittersweet than that; sort of like a "cliff-hanger" of did he or didn't he....something very subjective and/or subject to interpretation.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #7.3 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:40 PM EDT
                                      LA-wmn

                                      pinkcap - I like your thinking. I passed a pick-up on the interstate last week with a bumper sticker that said, "Love wins." And I thought - "how true" and then "that is the theme of LOST. . .I hope."

                                        #7.4 - Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:30 PM EDT
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                                        starwart1

                                        I'm glad Sun reunited with Jin, maybe she can actually do something interesting before this season is over now.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        Reply#8 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:03 PM EDT
                                        pinkcap

                                        I enjoyed the episode, but I didn't feel like enough questions were answered. We did get a confirmation about the MIB appearing as Christian. It was great to see Jin and Sun reunited after all this time.I have to say that was my favorite part of the episode. I wonder why she got her voice back? Did it have something to do with Sun making a recovery in the sideways world? I believe she lost her voice at about the same time she was shot in the sideways.

                                        Good for Kate for figuring out why Sawyer never turned her in at the airport. Sideways Kate is obviously smarter than island Kate.

                                        How did Sun recognize Locke in the hospital?Since Sun was in a near death state, I believe that she could see into the sideways world and see FLocke. Sun does not trust or like the Nemesis. She blames him for the condition she is in. She never saw John Locke in the sideways world until that moment and when she saw him she recognized him as the person in her vision. I loved how both ambulances pulled up at the same time and how Sun and Locke were wheeled in side by side.

                                        Did Sayid really kill Desmond?I don't think he did. I loved it when Hurley told Sawyer that Sayid could come back from the dark side just like Anakin did in Star Wars. I think I mentioned that possibility when the darkness first entered Sayid. The darkness always reminded me of the dark side in Star Wars. Anakin turned to the dark side because anger is what feeds the darkness. Anakin never had control over his emotions, so it was easy for the emperor to fuel his anger with lies and false promises. We've seen the MIB feed Sayid's and Claire's anger. He's also made them promises he can't keep. I think Desmond was able to reach the goodness in Sayid and maybe start him on the path of redemption. I think Kate has done the same thing with Claire. When Claire realized that Kate was on her side, she relaxed. We finally saw a glimpse of the old Claire tonight.

                                        Why did Zoe and/or Widmore call of Sawyer's deal?Everything hinges on Desmond. If Desmond isn't returned, then Widmore can't activate his plan. He's either going to hold them on the island until the time is right for them to leave, or he will use them as leverage with FLocke to get Desmond back.

                                        Is Jack aligned with Nemesis now? I don't think he wants to be, but Claire said to him that once he talked to the Nemesis, he's with him, whether he likes it or not.

                                        Sawyer always has the best lines: "He looks like he stepped off the set of a Burt Reynolds movie" and "that was before she started drinking Locke's kool-aid."

                                        I do have a question - how far into the island world does Desmond see? He directed Claire to a lawyer's office that was looking for her and ended up being introduced her to her brother, Jack. Is it coincidence, or did he see all of this?

                                        • 3 votes
                                        Reply#9 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:19 PM EDT
                                        Inchiki

                                        Is it my imagination, but is Claire looking less feral as time goes by? Maybe this is to reflect her overcoming the "sickness" or her change of allegiance away from Locke's side. Yes, I admit my shallowness as with all the good comments you made, I have made my "reply" with Claire's looks.

                                        • 3 votes
                                        #9.1 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:38 PM EDT
                                        pinkcap

                                        Inchiki - I think you make a good observation about Claire's looks. Her hair was looking better - I didn't say good - I said better.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #9.2 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:56 PM EDT
                                        blackwidow1

                                        pinkcap,

                                        I wonder why she got her voice back? Did it have something to do with Sun making a recovery in the sideways world? I believe she lost her voice at about the same time she was shot in the sideways

                                        Ooooo ... great question. I had hoped it would be one of Steve's questions would be this and had even marked it down in my notes but completely forgot it when I posted my post somewhere below. The reason very well could be dependent on her recovery in the sideways world. I've wondered for a while if the things that occur in one timeline affect or are dependent on what happens in the other timeline. I like to think that she got her voice back because she's where she's supposed to be - with Jin. In either timeline, her fate/destiny is with tied to Jin.

                                        Oh - and you were right last week when you said that the well Desmond was in was a different well than the donkey wheel well. Good catch!

                                        LOL ... I think Claire looks amazing after being on an island for 3 years without a shower and Pantene. Better than I would look after a weekend camping LOL! I did have to laugh when Hurley saw her for the first time after 3 years and his comment was "looking good Claire"

                                        • 3 votes
                                        #9.3 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:14 AM EDT
                                        Herbcules74

                                        Good obsevation about Kate Pinkcap. This is the second time that Kate has claimed she is innocent in the sideways world. If she is innocent then who killed her father. Maybe it was Sayid....he will kill anyone if the mood hits him.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #9.4 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:24 AM EDT
                                        BlackRock Steve

                                        Great insight and questions, Pinkcap,...on the timing of Sun speaking, and I was watching and wondering the exact same question on Desmond!! In our discussions of "Happily Ever After", we noted that Desmond seemed "enlightened" after his EM experience. Since then, I have felt that his "confidence" and demeanor (I think there is a NOTICEABLE change of character in Des) has been meant to imply that he is "all-knowing" in a way about the 2 dimensions.

                                        • 4 votes
                                        #9.5 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:52 AM EDT
                                        NCL70506

                                        pinkcap - I agree with you about Sayid and Claire possibly being on the road to redemption. They seem open to persuasion or suggestion. We have seen both of them listen to and/or obey what Nemesis has told them to do. It appears that Desmond got through to Sayid, and accomplished two things by doing so: (1) not getting killed by Sayid and (2) helping Sayid realize that he still has free will or the will to do good if he so chooses. And we see Kate doing a great job of convincing / persuading Claire to come with her so they can leave the Island and get back to Aaron. In doing so, Kate got Claire to make a choice and exercise her free will, and most of all, convinced Claire to leave "Locke" behind, even though she appeared quite loyal to him. Now the only problem with this is that Sayid and Claire could be persuaded by Nemesis to do something bad again. But, I don't want to think about that right now.

                                        Regarding Desmond, he must have better than 20/20 vision, like 5000/5000. No, seriously, I can believe that Desmond was able to get the time and place for the reading of Jack's father's will because he is friends with the attorney. I can see him following Claire around, introducing himself to her, and persuading her (see above) to see his attorney for free. But, how did he know Claire would go to that building the same time and day as Jack? And then, there was Ilana as the attorney! I did not think we would see her again. Maybe Ilana is a connecting factor in this particular encounter, with Desmond's influence.

                                        P.S. I thought Island Claire looked better is this episode also.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #9.6 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:27 AM EDT
                                        partlycloudy

                                        I'm still waiting to see why it was so important to have the shoes of Jacks father placed on Lockes body.

                                        • 3 votes
                                        #9.7 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:06 AM EDT
                                        pinkcap

                                        Black Widow - I missed Hurley telling Claire she was looking good. I'm going to have to watch it again for a good laugh.

                                        We have seen some parallels in the sideways world events and island world events. Kate was on the run in both of hers. Jack had doubts about himself in the sideways and island world until he became enlightened in both worlds. In the sideways, he found out why he did not have a good relationship with his son and was able to change. In the island world, he found out he was brought to the island for a reason. He discovered that he has what it takes in both worlds. Sideways Ben had the choice to help his student or himself and he made the selfless decision. At the same time, island Ben, for the first time, made a selfless decision and felt remorse. My question is, which world is more influential? Does the island world influence what happens in the sideways world, or does the sideways world influence what happens in the island world?

                                        Herbcules - I was wondering the same thing about the murder of Kate's father. I do think she's being truthful when she claims she is innocent. In the island world, she always admitted to it because she thought she was justified. I don't think it was Sayid, but maybe it was someone like Keamy. I hope they let us know what really happened.

                                        NCL - I love the 5000/5000 vision comment. It describes what we're seeing in Desmond so well. I didn't think about the free choice concept last night, but you're right, they were given the free choice.I agree, I hope they are on the path to their former selves and aren't persuaded by the MIB to return.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #9.8 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:27 AM EDT
                                        Lori-1673701

                                        Black Widow - I missed Hurley telling Claire she was looking good. I'm going to have to watch it again for a good laugh.

                                        Yes, you must see it. paraphrasing here...

                                        Claire: Hurley, good to see you

                                        Hurley: Oh, Claire (insert pause here), your looking good?

                                        I think this was one of the best lines in this esp. NO DVR for exact..

                                          #9.9 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:36 AM EDT
                                          T Bourlon

                                          "This is the second time that Kate has claimed she is innocent in the sideways world. If she is innocent then who killed her father."

                                          It would have to be her mother. But do we know for SURE she's accused of killing her father? Everything else is different, maybe that is, too.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #9.10 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:32 AM EDT
                                          kcjhawk

                                          Since people seem to have better child/parent relationships in sideways world, I agree that Kate's mom actually stepped up and killed the guy to protect Kate.

                                            #9.11 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:00 AM EDT
                                            opus_rma

                                            Partlycloudy:" I'm still waiting to see why it was so important to have the shoes of Jacks father placed on Lockes body."

                                            My guess...the shoes were a Smokey magnet. Remember, when Eloise told them they needed to recreate the original passengers from O6 on Ajira? I think that gave them some control, however minimal, on the events that were to transpire. Since Christian, Jack's father, had previously worn those shoes, and Smokey had previously played Christian on the island there was a pre-existing connection.

                                            Back on the island, Smokey was about to rise. He cold have chosen from the many dead, newly dead, or soon to be dead to come back as. But he waited. Then the next plane crashed and Christian's shoes showed up attached to Locke. Smokey, then had no choice but to walk in Christian's shoes again. In this way, Eloise knew, that at the very least they would be able to identify the re-incarnated Smokey. Every little bit helps when you're going to war.

                                            • 3 votes
                                            #9.12 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:00 PM EDT
                                            pinkcap

                                            kcjhawk - I like your theory about Kate's mom being the one who set the fire.

                                              #9.13 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:54 PM EDT
                                              blackwidow1

                                              My question is, which world is more influential? Does the island world influence what happens in the sideways world, or does the sideways world influence what happens in the island world?

                                              pinkcap - I think you've just outlined one of the main questions of this season. I initially thought that the events of the sideways world reflected the balance of power that was shifting on the island. But typing this just now, I can't remember why I thought that. For the life of me I can't think of any examples to illustrate this line of thinking. One thing is for sure, it is only in the sideways timeline that there is a consciousness or awareness of another timeline. With the exception of Desmond (who seems to be aware of both timelines), no one on the island seems to have any awareness of the sideways world. This leads me to believe that the existence of the sideways timeline is entirely dependent on the outcome of the events that we are seeing play out on the island. Maybe that's how the two strands will eventually converge, when all the sideways people achieve the awareness of the island world. What that convergence will mean/result in? I have no clue.

                                                #9.14 - Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:16 AM EDT
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                                                Inchiki

                                                Did Hurley ever finish that rewrite of Star Wars series? Was he foreshadowing when he mentioned the redemption of Anakin? Let's review . . . Jack and Claire (Luke and Leia); Sawyer (Han Solo); Hugo (Chewbacca); Jacob (Obi-wan); John Locke (Vader); Sayid (Lando Calrissian); Sun and Jin (uh, R2D2 and C3PO?). Alas, the only one that I cannot fit is Kate. Kidding.

                                                Quickly, the questions.

                                                • How did Sun recognize Locke in the hospital? A near death experience.
                                                • Did Sayid really kill Desmond? No, the writers wouldn't risk life and limb if Desmond died. Just need to remind Carlton and Damon of Misery.
                                                • Why did Zoe and/or Widmore call off Sawyer's deal? It was interesting that Widmore also called the strike against Locke, as well. For whatever reason, Widmore does not consider capturing Locke to be important and that he can wipe the board . . . without upsetting some (unknown) rules.
                                                • Is Jack aligned with Nemesis now? No, it's obvious that Jack will do whatever it takes to stop Locke.
                                                • 1 vote
                                                Reply#10 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:26 PM EDT
                                                Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute

                                                LOL, nice work! I would love to see a Star Wars re-enactment of LOST as a one-off, something for fans of both franchises to enjoy!

                                                Nikki and Paulo played by Jar-Jar and...an Ewok?

                                                  #10.1 - Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:26 PM EDT
                                                  Jekazu

                                                  That would be an insult to Ewoks! Jar-Jar and the Gungans on the other hand are fair game.

                                                    #10.2 - Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:39 PM EDT
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                                                    blackwidow1

                                                    Cheers … Sun and Jin … nuff said

                                                    Jeers … no episode next week

                                                    Thoughts:

                                                    • Lots of talk about fate and “something bringing us together” … the connection is there in every timeline
                                                    • The island is not done with us yet … we were brought here for a reason
                                                    • Leap of faith … Sawyer speaks to Jack about taking a leap of faith (not the first time this concept has been mentioned to Jack) … what is faith? Trusting without proof, trusting in something that defies logic … I think Jack made a good point tonight – “If Locke, that thing wants us to leave the island, maybe we should stay” … and he’s right ... there is absolutely no earthly reason to trust in Locke at this point … to have faith in the MIB … he’s shown little to nothing to gain trust, little to nothing to believe in (other than his willingness to accept the outcasts of society – for all of us raised in a Christian faith this was a significant element of Jesus’ character and actions) … but rather Locke displays the opposite of what is traditionally thought of as “goodness.” And choosing to “follow” him would defy logic and instinct. So (and this could be just way out there) maybe this is what Jacob has meant all along by making the right choice or the progress of humanity. Perhaps having faith in Locke/MIB … taking that leap of faith to follow him, despite all the reasons NOT to is what will finally prove Jacob right. There have been scads of people who have been brought to the island who were “good” and should have ended the game of “I’m right, you’re wrong” a long time ago. But none of them did. But none of them chose MIB either.
                                                    • The idea of “he spoke to you, once he did that the choice was out of your hands” – we’ve seen this applied to both Jacob and MIB. Perhaps this is emblematic of planting the seeds of doubt … the knowledge from the “other side” will make you question your decision and/or give you a different way to “see” things.

                                                    On to the questions:

                                                    • How did Sun recognize Locke in the hospital?

                                                    She’s remembering him from the island … her consciousnesses are converging

                                                    • Did Sayid really kill Desmond?

                                                    No, he did not. Desmond spoke to him before he had a chance to kill him (just like no one was supposed to speak to MIB or Jacob before they attempted to kill them) … Desmond planted seeds of doubt and made Sayid think. One of the ideas that Underground Man speaks of in the book of Alana’s that Hurley found last week, Dostoevsky’s Notes from Underground is the concept that enlightened men/men of consciousness do not act because they continually think. And by thinking they basically talk themselves out of any real conviction of what the right decision is and therefore they cannot and do not make any decisions. This is sort of where Sayid is at after Desmond asks him what he will tell Nadya he did to get her back. And Sayid realizes that he would have to tell her that he killed a defenseless man just to be with her … he would become the “bad” man he’s tried to convince himself that he isn't.

                                                    • Why did Zoe and/or Widmore call off Sawyer's deal?

                                                    Was Widmore ever going to honor that deal anyway? I doubt it. Widmore is out for himself and will do anything and use anyone and hurt anyone to get what he wants – control of the island. The more I think about this show, I see the island not so much as a “cork” but as a “ring” like in The Lord of the Rings – it just brings out the bad in people.

                                                    • Is Jack aligned with Nemesis now?

                                                    Aligned with? Not in Jack’s mind. At least not yet.

                                                    • 6 votes
                                                    #11 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:36 PM EDT
                                                    BlackRock Steve

                                                    bw1....LOVED your "Leap of Faith" comments!!! BTW...I thought you'd also note the literal symbol of Jack's leap of faith off the boat into water and submersion...sort of like a baptism conversion to being a man of faith!

                                                    However, I have always had more faith and trust in MIB than Jacob for one simple reason...He Talks to his recruits and actually tells them WHO he is(Smokey) and his game plan, and has always offered folks a "second chance" to save themselves rather than meet Smokey! With "Ab Aeterno" we even saw that he did this 150 yrs. ago with Richard, thus implying that he always has. Jacob on the other hand has never answered who he is, manipulates and kills needlessly & aimlessly, does not talk to his recruits, and only offers Faustian deals.

                                                    • 3 votes
                                                    #11.1 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:07 AM EDT
                                                    pinkcap

                                                    BRS - Great insight on the symbolism of Jack's leap of faith off the boat and into the water. It does remind me of a baptism.

                                                    I have a different view on the MIB. Yes, he told them who he was, but a good con man will tell parital truths so that you think he's being honest with you. I think Jacob is one of these people who feels that they never have to explain themselves because their words and actions should speak for itself. I don't think Jacob is good, I just trust him more than the MIB. We don't know who's behind the killings. Is it Jacob, is it the MIB. or is it just their time to die?

                                                    • 2 votes
                                                    #11.2 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:40 AM EDT
                                                    T Bourlon

                                                    Although I agree with pinkcap, I'd like to point out that UnLocke told Jack he masqueraded as Christian "because they needed water." Clearly he wanted to keep them alive for his own agenda, but one could STILL consider that a "good" thing. I guess in reality, good and evil are not so clearly defined as we would like. And I keep thinking about Jacob saying if he told someone what to do there would be no free will, and the "don't let him speak" thing. And Jacob said they only have to get it right once, or something like that. As a parent, it's painful to stand back and watch my child screw up, but you have to do that or they'll never learn. So, while Jacob's never talking to the recruits may SEEM like a bad thing, it could turn out to be a good thing in the long run. Just a thought.

                                                    • 3 votes
                                                    #11.3 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:27 AM EDT
                                                    kcjhawk

                                                    But the whole idea of faith is believing without having proof. And as for Faustian deals what could be worse than what MIB is promising? He is offering things that are impossible in the real world--not that being immortal like jacob made Richard is a normal thing. Plus, we still have the "Jacobean" idea that people will do the right thing without any promise of getting something in return. MIB always tries to bribe the people he recruits.

                                                    • 3 votes
                                                    #11.4 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:06 AM EDT
                                                    OnlyChild

                                                    Why did Widmore break his deal with Sawyer?

                                                    Sawyer broke the deal. He said he would bring MIB back so Widmore could kill him. MIB wasn't with them. It seems Widmore didn't ascertain whether Desmond was with them before he started hurling missles at MIB's camp.(this reminded me of the old medieval weapon -catapault? used to launch rocks at the castle walls) Maybe Des can communicate with him and say he is safe in a well. Since Widmore didn't ask who was with Sawyer, he apparently doesn't care who else gets killed.

                                                    Sawyer rightly doesn't trust either of them (Widmore or MIb). He just wants to leave. A good goal. It's not his fight. Leave the screwballs to fight on over their treasures and perceived end of the world scenarios. (In many wars, religion and temporal goals get mixed together - wars over the Reformation being an example) So, is Jack the man of faith or is he another sucker like Locke?.

                                                      #11.5 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:56 AM EDT
                                                      pinkcap

                                                      T Bourlon and kcjhawk - you both make excellent points about Jacob and the MIB.

                                                      T Bourlon - I agree with you about the MIB telling Jack he just wanted to direct him to water. At first I thought maybe the MIB isn't so bad after all, but then I thought of something. It appears as if the MIB has Lockes' memories. Last night Claire confirmed that the MIB has some of Christian's memories when she told Jack that she was his sister. I'm guessing that a part of Christian was strong enough to emerge to help his son and that's why the MIB helped him find water.

                                                      • 1 vote
                                                      #11.6 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:03 PM EDT
                                                      Susanaree

                                                      Did anyone else notice HOW Sayid was walking through the clearing when Flocke found him? It looked to me like he was taking everything in, like he was seeing it for the first time. He was looking up at the trees, the sky, his surroundings - gave me great hope that Desmond and Sayid pulled each other out of their respective deep dark wells.

                                                      • 4 votes
                                                      #11.7 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:25 PM EDT
                                                      MadMaxi

                                                      Great points, sorry haven't written since last season btw... But if Sawyer remains on the sidelines with the "it's their fight, I just want to go home" it seems it wouldn't fit in with the adage that every man eventually must choose which side he is on theme. There is no middle ground one can safely hide in when battling between supposed good and evil.

                                                        #11.8 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:37 PM EDT
                                                        kcjhawk

                                                        Susanaree--love the deep dark well analogy! Great idea!

                                                          #11.9 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:02 PM EDT
                                                          pinkcap

                                                          Susanaree

                                                          Thanks for mentioning that. I didn't notice that, but I will definitely pay attention to that scene when I re-watch it.

                                                            #11.10 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:16 PM EDT
                                                            jograyghost

                                                            when I saw Sayid walking in the woods after we saw him with Desmond, i thought he was looking for a long vine

                                                              #11.11 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:22 PM EDT
                                                              blackwidow1

                                                              BRS and pinkcap - I never thought of Jack's jumping in the water as being representative of a baptism. I can see how you'd say that what with all the other redemptive and rebirth imagery we've been shown. I'm not sure why I didn't catch it, but thanks for pointing it out.

                                                              What that scene did remind me of instead of a baptism was when Sawyer jumped out of the helicopter so that the rest of the passengers could get to the freighter and off the island. A sacrifice of his own freedom to save his friends. And perhaps that's what Jack's jumping was, a sacrifice that will save his friends.

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                                                              #11.12 - Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:32 AM EDT
                                                              pinkcap

                                                              BW1

                                                              I too thought the scene of Jack jumping into the water and swimming to shore was reminiscent of Sawyer jumping off the helicopter. I was trying to figure out how the two were tied together, but couldn't come up with anything. When Sawyer reached the beach, he was greeted by Juliet. Let's face it, there aren't any similarities between Locke and Juliet. I like your take on it - a sacrifice to save his friends.

                                                                #11.13 - Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:03 AM EDT
                                                                Susanaree

                                                                BW1 and pinkcap - I may be wrong, but when Jack came up on the beach, the first thing Locke said was "nice day for a swim," and I thought to myself - that's what Juliet said to Sawyer when he came up on the beach after he jumped off the helicopter.

                                                                ALL RIGHT! OK! I'll force myself to check out that scene of nearly-naked Sawyer again.

                                                                My own little sacrifice.

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                                                                #11.14 - Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:25 PM EDT
                                                                blackwidow1

                                                                LOL Susanaree!

                                                                I think Sawyer could have his own little harem just from this blog alone.

                                                                  #11.15 - Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:59 PM EDT
                                                                  belle42

                                                                  Susanaree

                                                                  Don't feel obligated. I can handle that burden for you if you like :)

                                                                    #11.16 - Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:00 PM EDT
                                                                    Tommy Boy

                                                                    blackwidow - great, great stuff ... A+ analysis on the "leap of faith" point!

                                                                      #11.17 - Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:53 PM EDT
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                                                                      Steve Watts

                                                                      I'd also like to point out that I successfully called bullshot on the promo last night that showed Sayid pulling the trigger. That effect looked ultra-fake to me, so glad to see I was right.

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                                                                      Reply#12 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:40 PM EDT
                                                                      Anon Emous

                                                                      This is IMHO...

                                                                      but yet another MEHpisode of many this season.

                                                                      I did enjoy a few episodes - I'm admittedly biased toward any Bencentric episodes , the one where Sayid succombed to the Dark Side is nicely creepy, and Ricardo/Ricardus/Richard’s story was intriguing, but…

                                                                      in the words of Peggy Lee, I am increasingly getting the sad feeling of

                                                                      is that all there is?

                                                                      I need a really strong finish Damon and Carleton!

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                                                                      Reply#13 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:43 PM EDT
                                                                      pinkcap

                                                                      And Sayid realizes that he would have to tell her that he killed a defenseless man just to be with her … he would become the “bad” man he’s tried to convince himself that he isn't

                                                                      Black Widow, If he shoots Desmond, Sayid will end up feeling unworthy of her love, and will end up leaving her, just as he did in the sideways world. No matter what he does, he is not destined to be with Nadia. For some reason, Sayid thinks Nadia is a perfect person with no flaws. He's not a perfect person, so he doesn't feel he's worthy of her. I think his relationship with Shannon was one where he felt he could be himself. I'm hoping they end up together in the sideways world.

                                                                      Sorry, this was a reply to #11.

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                                                                      Reply#14 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:47 PM EDT
                                                                      blackwidow1

                                                                      I agree with you totally

                                                                        #14.1 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:18 AM EDT
                                                                        Lori-1673701

                                                                        I do not recall Desmand saying in the well that it is Nadia. Didn't he say what will you tell the one you love (or something like that)? I think that 'if' MIB does keep his promise that it will end up being Shannon.

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                                                                        #14.2 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:30 AM EDT
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                                                                        formermormon

                                                                        One thing that made me curious...Why didn't Sawyer make sure that Miles was with his group too?

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                                                                        Reply#15 - Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:55 PM EDT
                                                                        blackwidow1

                                                                        Miles is off with Richard and Ben ... he didn't show up with Jack and Co. and this was Sawyer's chance at escape ... he wasn't going to wait around after Locke announced that their "hand had been forced" and war was imminent

                                                                          #15.1 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:21 AM EDT
                                                                          formermormon

                                                                          oh, yeah, I forgot he went with them. thanks! that answers my question.

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                                                                          #15.2 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:20 AM EDT
                                                                          sweetpeas2ds

                                                                          Ah Ha!! Maybe Richard and company will be the ones to save Sawyer and crew? Because I will be uber miffed if Widmore/Zoe kill them!

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                                                                          #15.3 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:59 AM EDT
                                                                          Lori-1673701

                                                                          I am also shocked that they left Claire. I know they all think she is with MIB but how she went on that the losties all abandoned her so she had no one else. Then they leave her again. When she showed up at the boat, her look was like 'there they go, leaving me again!' Like a lost little puppy...

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                                                                          #15.4 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:34 AM EDT
                                                                          kcjhawk

                                                                          In the sideways world, up to this point Claire has been wandering around alone, too. It mirrors her on the island.

                                                                            #15.5 - Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:12 PM EDT
                                                                            Lori-1673701

                                                                            kcjhawk - I agree!

                                                                            Another thing about Claire to my reply above is that I totally thought she was going to open fire when they were all leaving on the boat, with her believing that she was left behind again. So MIB says????

                                                                              #15.6 - Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:35 PM EDT
                                                                              pinkcap

                                                                              kcjhawk

                                                                              Good observation about Claire wandering in both worlds. She also connected with her brother, Jack in both worlds.

                                                                                #15.7 - Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:04 AM EDT
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                                                                                BlackRock Steve

                                                                                Namaste, All….I'm late to the party but great to be back...I see I missed a GREAT week of discussions and articles by being gone working, not owning a laptop, and at an employer who uses “spyware” to monitor employees network activity so I can’t do Steve’s article from work. Great articles SayWhat and Pinkcap…you all have some really interesting theories!

                                                                                My Cheers: The Sun/Jin reunion (including the suspense of “The FENCE!”), Sawyer's line about Frank, and Hugo's "Anakin” comment, and FINALLY a major reveal/answer…MIB is CHRISTIAN (well, maybe, at least when Jack saw him)….

                                                                                My Jeers: MIB is CHRISTIAN (well, maybe,…)…You’ve got to be kidding me!!!! 4 episodes to go and these guys can’t even give us a straight answer now on 1 flippin’ thing!...Let’s drag this whole thing out to the last couple episodes. It is obvious that C & L and ABC have decided to “milk” the Lost Finale for all it’s worth…and the quality of this show is starting to suffer for it! As Steve referenced…way too much “filler’ talk and I hate to say it, but I’m starting to feel like they need to blow up another character like they did Illana in every show to add something they’re missing…some suspense and surprise. I rated this show a “Pretty Good” as I am tired of being a lone cynic in season 6; however, I see a few comments above whereby I would have a few allies…I actually wanted to rate this one “Mediocre” for poor directing and poor writing…this show dragged as have the last couple…there are too many contrived scenes and predictability. The MIB/Jack “sit down” scene and the Desmond/Sayid well scene were both a little forced and lacked the past quality of Lost writing. Come on now, we’re actually supposed to be surprised that Widmore double-crossed Sawyer??...my only surprise is that they wrote and expected us to think that Mr. big time Long Conner actually let himself be fooled by Charles…very disappointing.

                                                                                • How did Sun recognize Locke in the hospital?

                                                                                Near-death experience and saw the other dimension…

                                                                                • Did Sayid really kill Desmond?

                                                                                Absolutely Not, no way…and in fact, Sayid NOT killing Desmond is a major “victory” (as in “score 1”) for NemLocke! Sayid used his free will and decided NOT to kill Desmond as NemLocke told him to do…which is actually what NemLocke wanted/hoped he would do. Having done so, Sayid has made the first step back to “redemption” and beating the “infection”. NemLocke’s “kill” order was actually his way of giving Sayid a “second chance” to save himself.

                                                                                • Why did Zoe and/or Widmore call off Sawyer's deal?

                                                                                Sawyer didn’t keep his part of “the bargain” and deliver NemLocke as he promised, and Charles was never fooled by Sawyer and is busy being Charles…

                                                                                • Is Jack aligned with Nemesis now?

                                                                                Well he’s with him but is now a “man of faith” and seeking his destiny on/with the island…his purpose for being there…the new Jacob, maybe!?

                                                                                Seeing Jack and NemLocke together at the end of the episode reminded me of a finale prediction that someone posted at least a month or more ago: the island lives on…Jack is the new Jacob and must continually confront MIB who is stuck looking like Locke!

                                                                                • 2 votes
                                                                                Reply#16 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:16 AM EDT
                                                                                blackwidow1

                                                                                hey there brs! nice to have you back ...

                                                                                I’m starting to feel like they need to blow up another character like they did Illana in every show to add something they’re missing…some suspense and surprise.

                                                                                As the series winds down, I understand exactly what you are saying. In all honesty, sometimes I think its a combination of simply tying up loose ends and all this discussion that we all have here on LitV that leads to that sense of disappointment. We talk things to death here (and that's a GOOD thing IMHO) and figure things out that the casual viewer wouldn't on their own. I think that's why the recap shows always seemed so non-informative - we had already thrown out the ideas so when they were confirmed it wasn't surprising in the least. I work with several people that watch the show also and their level of understanding of Lost is so "weeks behind" where we are at any given time.

                                                                                A million years ago, I read Stephen King's Danse Macabre and there was one thing he wrote that has always stuck with me - the idea that what is known is always less impressive than what we can imagine. That we rationalize what we see by saying "It could always be worse" (or in this case ... its not as good as we'd hoped). I believe his example was a rationalization of the monster behind the door. If its 10 foot tall, we sigh and say "Oh, I can deal with this. It could have been a 20 foot monster. That I definitely couldn't handle." I don't wonder if the winding down of Lost is the same concept in reverse. Its a good show. There is no question, the show is simply good. But we've come up with ideas that are better. Take for instance the "whispers." I was totally disappointed in that explanation after years of people on this blog coming up with much more interesting theories. But if the explanation would have come 4 years ago, I doubt the disappointment would have been so great. We were expecting the moon. What we got was a wheel of cheese. We would have been happy with the wheel of cheese in season 2.

                                                                                Finally, like I told someone else, this show started out with a bang ... its always been very "in your face" and running on high adrenaline. We've asked questions and been left hanging for years. And the questions are slowly being answered and we're left with ... well, nothing to anticipate any longer except for "The End." Ideally, it will end with a bang! But, when you've invested so much time and energy and thought in something that will cease to exist ... you're left with emptiness. I think a sense of mourning will be felt by all who have loved these characters and this show and the community that's developed around it. At any rate, I think I will feel that.

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                                                                                #16.1 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:35 AM EDT
                                                                                partlycloudy

                                                                                Man! You have to feel sorry for Locke. Tossed out a window! Hung by Ben! Stabbed by Saide! Involved in horrific car wreck! And then run over by Desmond! All that and involved in the original plane crash! That guy has had it rough through this series.

                                                                                • 4 votes
                                                                                #16.2 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:14 AM EDT
                                                                                pinkcap

                                                                                Black Rock Steve - it's great to have you back. You made a good point about Sawyer not keeping up his end of the bargain. He did tell Widmore he would deliver Locke. I have to agree with you about the amount of filler in some of these shows. Don't get me wrong, I love the filler and if this wasn't the end of the series, I would be okay with it. I just have many questions that I would like answered and I don't see them all being answered in 5 hours. Instead of answering questions, they give us more questions each week.

                                                                                Black Widow - excellant post! You have explained it so concisely. We are a bit disappointed because we do talk about it and look at things from all sides. My opinion may differ from yours on various aspects of the show, but I never discount your opinion because I know that I may end up being wrong and you may end up being right. I'm prepared for many different scenarios while I watch the show, so that when something happens that was predicted on this site, I am not surprised.

                                                                                I also agree with you that some of our theories do turn out to be more interesting than what ends up being the answer.

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                                                                                #16.3 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:00 AM EDT
                                                                                T Bourlon

                                                                                "I also agree with you that some of our theories do turn out to be more interesting than what ends up being the answer."

                                                                                The chase is always better than the catch.

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                                                                                #16.4 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:15 AM EDT
                                                                                johnkathy94

                                                                                i have to agree with blackwidow. i felt it was let down christian was smokey. it should have been something greater. although assuming smokey is lying we will have some interesting things in the remaining episodes.

                                                                                  #16.5 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:52 PM EDT
                                                                                  BlackRock Steve

                                                                                  Hey Blackwidow, you nailed my sentiments exactly on the show & the blog here, and I highly agree with your Stephen King analogy!!!

                                                                                    #16.6 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:48 PM EDT
                                                                                    kcjhawk

                                                                                    I’m starting to feel like they need to blow up another character like they did Illana in every show to add something they’re missing…some suspense and surprise.

                                                                                    PLEASE LET THEM BLOW UP ZOE SOON!

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                                                                                    #16.7 - Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:16 PM EDT
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                                                                                    blackwidow1

                                                                                    Ooops ... posted in the wrong place

                                                                                      Reply#17 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:34 AM EDT
                                                                                      lostinventura

                                                                                      BRS

                                                                                      Not really surprising but I'm so with you on the medocrity of this episode. there was just something so "eh" about it. i've come to expect after a great, suspenseful episode we are greeted with an episode like this week.

                                                                                      i also agree that Sayid for sure did not kill Desmond. I think we know this by the simple cue of Sayid claiming that he needed a moment after he killed a person and NemLocke looked at him like "what? you aren't suppose to feel anything." with that being said, i read your post and was like "whoa!" what does he mean by:

                                                                                      Absolutely Not, no way…and in fact, Sayid NOT killing Desmond is a major “victory” (as in “score 1”) for NemLocke! Sayid used his free will and decided NOT to kill Desmond as NemLocke told him to do…which is actually what NemLocke wanted/hoped he would do. Having done so, Sayid has made the first step back to “redemption” and beating the “infection”. NemLocke’s “kill” order was actually his way of giving Sayid a “second chance” to save himself.

                                                                                      I'm very curous about your theory that Nemlocke wanted Sayid to have a seocnd chance.

                                                                                        #17.1 - Fri Apr 23, 2010 1:03 PM EDT
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                                                                                        NCL70506

                                                                                        I have noticed several times now that Claire has told someone that she has been with “Locke” ever since they left the Island. But, they (Losties) were still on the Island when she went off with “Christian” in the jungle. I remember Sawyer and Miles were with her and Aaron that night she disappeared. So, what's this about? Is she just confused because of being infected? Anyone have thoughts on this one?

                                                                                        I did not remember that the Elizabeth boat was still near the Island. It took me a minute to figure out what boat they were talking about. We have not seen it in a long time. I found it interesting that Sawyer referred to it as "my" boat, and Nemesis referred to it as "my" boat. It was just sitting there, ready to be used, and looked in good shape. And somehow Frank knew there was food down below, food with preservatives I hope. This just seemed a little odd and convenient to me.

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                                                                                        Reply#18 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:26 AM EDT
                                                                                        sweetpeas2ds

                                                                                        NCL (or anyone else) who's boat is the Elizabeth? And who is/was Elizabeth? My memory of this is foggy. Was it Desmond's boat?

                                                                                          #18.1 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:02 AM EDT
                                                                                          partlycloudy

                                                                                          Clair didn't go off with Christian. That was supposedly Locke. And that boat, the Elizabeth,, is that the boat Desmond and Penny were on at the dock when Ben got the stuffing beat out of him? Or is that the boat Desmond was on in that great race.

                                                                                            #18.2 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:18 AM EDT
                                                                                            parent-43973

                                                                                            The Elizabeth was the boat that Libby (real name, "Elizabeth") gave to Desmond so he could sail his race, and which Desmond wrecked on the Island three years before Oceanic 815 crashed there. The boat was a wreck, but Kelvin (the other button pusher) was secretly fixing it up and it was seaworthy again by the time the Losties arrived. It was used by the Losties in a recon expedition (when they first saw the Statue's foot), but then got shot up by the Others. No bullet holes now, though. The appearance of the Elizabeth in this week's episode struck me as a cheesy "deus ex machina" just to further the plot along. Definitely symptomatic of the poor quality of the writing this season.

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                                                                                            #18.3 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:53 AM EDT
                                                                                            Kylemmie

                                                                                            NCL- Frank's line was something like "I saw some canned food in the galley earlier, anyone else hungry?"

                                                                                            First thing I'd do when boarding a boat that was just sitting there apparently abandoned is to make sure it is actually empty of people. In passing thru the galley he spotted the food, but at that time it wasn't a top priority. Getting the boat moving was.

                                                                                            My impression of that scene anyway.

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                                                                                            #18.4 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:20 AM EDT
                                                                                            NCL70506

                                                                                            partly cloudy - Claire did go off with Nemesis/Locke/ManInBlack, whatever you want to call him. But the "person" she saw and followed looked like her father, Christian. That's why I was using quotes. That is not my question. What I was wondering about was why Claire has said to several people that she has been with Nemesis/Locke/ManInBlack ever since the Losties left the Island. But the Losties were still there on the Island when she walked off into the jungle. It may not be important; I was just wondering because she has said this more than once.

                                                                                            Parent - Thanks for putting the info on the boat. I agree with you about the boat being there just to further the plot along. Kylemmie - That is what I meant when I said odd and convenient, that the boat was just sitting there in great shape, waiting for them to use, and had edible food on board, even though we have not seen this boat in a long time.

                                                                                              #18.5 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:56 PM EDT
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                                                                                              sweetpeas2ds

                                                                                              Oh wow! I felt like I couldn't blink in this one because I might miss another connection in the sideways reality. Fabulous!

                                                                                              Cheers:

                                                                                              Sawyer regarding Claire "She's been drinking Locke's Kool-Aid"

                                                                                              Jin and Sun!

                                                                                              Jack. I've been on the fence about him for awhile and I am so loving him right now. I always loved Locke's faith (pre-Nem) and I'm seeing that in Jack now. I was thrilled with his revelation of why Locke wants everyone to leave the island. My first thought was duh! why didn't I think of that!

                                                                                              Too many more to name!

                                                                                              Jeers:

                                                                                              I really thought we would find out who Jack's ex-wife is. I want to know!

                                                                                              Widmore ....you LIAR! Though I never really believed he'd hold up his end of the deal with Sawyer. I just didn't expect it to go down this way.

                                                                                              Miles just strolling into Nadia's house. Cop or not, you don't come in my house unless I give you permission. And I didn't see a warrant. Just bugged me.

                                                                                              On to the questions...

                                                                                            • How did Sun recognize Locke in the hospital? Being shot opened up her consciousness and she was able to see the Island world.
                                                                                            • Did Sayid really kill Desmond? Heck no! Free will brotha....maybe Sayid isn't all the way gone after all.
                                                                                            • Why did Zoe and/or Widmore call off Sawyer's deal? Because Widmore is liar. He never intended to hold up his end of the deal. I think he just needed them to not be with Locke and now that they aren't he has no use for them. Or he needs them (as candidates?) dead.
                                                                                            • Is Jack aligned with Nemesis now? I wouldn't say aligned, more like keeping watch. I mentioned in my cheers that I love Jack's revelation that NemLocke needs them to leave because it would be back for him (Nem) if they stayed and finished whatever destiny the Island has for them.
                                                                                            • Just an observation...it really peeves me off when Nem rips on original Locke. Locke has been my favorite from day one and I hate that Nem is mocking him. However, I really think that Nem fears Locke and his faith but why I don't know. Someone mentioned that Eloise was very adamant that Locke's body be brought back which I had kind of forgotten about. Why? What's so important about Locke (and Christian's shoes for that matter)? Nem could have taken anyones body who was dead on the island. I'm assuming it's because Locke was a candidate and that makes him special. Or because Terry O'Quinn is so awesome they had to keep him on the show!

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                                                                                              Reply#19 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:35 AM EDT
                                                                                              Lori-1673701

                                                                                              I really thought we would find out who Jack's ex-wife is. I want to know!

                                                                                              Did you also notice when Jack's ex called about when his son would be dropped off. The son shook his head no to being dropped off early. He seemed like he did not want to go back to his mom so soon and wanted to stay. Then Jack said well maybe a little later we may stop and eat... They seem to get along way better than when he was first introduced.

                                                                                                #19.1 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:07 AM EDT
                                                                                                Lost in Space and Time 316

                                                                                                sweetpeas - the id of Jack's wife was in a spoiler I read a few weeks ago. I hesitate to post it here, but will if you can't find out on the web. I think it was on the ODI site. They have turned out to be very accurate.

                                                                                                  #19.2 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:54 AM EDT
                                                                                                  Kylemmie

                                                                                                  Sweatpeas - Quick thought about the Miles entering house uninvited - While I agree wholeheartedly that, in general, my house - need my permission to enter etc and I don't recall exactly the dialogue there...

                                                                                                  Look at it from the Law enforcement perspective....This is perhaps the #1 lead on finding (in their eyes) a suspect in a multiple homicide. In some urban neighborhoods it would not strike me as odd that a woman of the home refused to open the door and demanded to see ID thru a window in the door.....but in that suburbia near-paradise....really? My Cop alarm bells would start going 5 alarm within the first few seconds of that exchange of trying to even get her to open the door.

                                                                                                  So he has a hot lead, supported by very suspicious behavior of the home owner. At that point he has to enter the home, or he is not doing his job. He didn't force his way in, just walked. In Pursuit and reasonable suspicion would have gotten him past any legal hang-ups about not being invited in.

                                                                                                  Even if the lead had not panned out and Nadia had called to lodge a formal complaint - the worst Miles would have received (if all he did was take a few steps in and ask some questions) was a stern look from his boss. imho :)

                                                                                                    #19.3 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:35 AM EDT
                                                                                                    Foundling

                                                                                                    LIS&T316: Please post. I am unable to find it.

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                                                                                                    #19.4 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:41 AM EDT
                                                                                                    sweetpeas2ds

                                                                                                    Lost in Space....yes, please post. I can't find it.

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                                                                                                    #19.5 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:57 AM EDT
                                                                                                    Lost in Space and Time 316

                                                                                                    Spoiler.........spoiler..................spoiler....................spoiler.....................spoiler.................spoiler....................

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                                                                                                    According to a very reliable site, Jack's ex-wife and his son's mom is Juilet.

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                                                                                                    #19.6 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:48 AM EDT
                                                                                                    Foundling

                                                                                                    I can see that. Thanks!

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                                                                                                    #19.7 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:06 PM EDT
                                                                                                    kcjhawk

                                                                                                    I was going to guess that! Those blue eyes give it away!

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                                                                                                    #19.8 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:06 PM EDT
                                                                                                    sweetpeas2ds

                                                                                                    Ah Ha! My suspicions were correct!

                                                                                                      #19.9 - Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:44 AM EDT
                                                                                                      Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute

                                                                                                      No shocker there, corny/predictable yet makes no reasonable sense. Though honestly, if you had posted something more out of left field, I might have been mad for the surprise being spoiled LOL!

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                                                                                                      #19.10 - Thu Apr 22, 2010 4:02 PM EDT
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                                                                                                      sweetpeas2ds

                                                                                                      Too late to edit my op....I forgot to add something that had been bothering me about Claire. At least twice now she's mentioned that everybody except for Nem abandoned her (which is why she trusts him). But she left, she wasn't abandoned. I guess she's going on what Nem told her but you would think she would have figured out by now he's been less than honest with her.

                                                                                                      An additional Cheer:

                                                                                                      Ben with Locke in the ambulance. When Locke said Helen's name and that he was going to marry her....then Ben said you still will. I loved that moment! And I also agree that Jack will fix Locke so he can walk again.

                                                                                                      What a ride!

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                                                                                                      Reply#20 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:40 AM EDT
                                                                                                      parent-43973

                                                                                                      While the Great Surgeoan Jack Shepard may indeed "fix" Locke in the sideways world, if we see Locke walking before undergoing a LOT of intensive post-op rehab I'm going to call bigtime "bullsnot" (or whatever it is that Steve says to get past the censors!)

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                                                                                                      #20.1 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:58 AM EDT
                                                                                                      JessieAnne19

                                                                                                      I actually thought it was interesting that Locke said he was going to marry Helen. My first impression is that he's part way into the island world already. Didn't Helen leave him because he was so obsessed with figuring out his father? I can't remember if she came back after he was paralyzed, but I'm thinking not. So, in the island world they were no longer together. But, maybe she was still the first person he thought of in the ambulance. Or maybe he just said that he "was" going to marry her instead of he "is" going to marry her and didn't realize it?

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                                                                                                      #20.2 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:36 AM EDT
                                                                                                      parent-43973

                                                                                                      You must have missed Locke's sideways story. He was with Helen and they were going to get married and Locke had no issues with his father, blah blah blah. Everything that happened in the first five seasons doesn't appear to matter much in season six.

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                                                                                                      #20.3 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:57 AM EDT
                                                                                                      JessieAnne19

                                                                                                      Yeah, in the sideways world Locke and Helen are together and happy. But, in the island world, before the plane crashed, in one of Locke's flashbacks, didn't Helen leave him? I don't think they were together when the plane crashed in season 1...

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                                                                                                      #20.4 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:03 PM EDT
                                                                                                      T Bourlon

                                                                                                      Yes, she left him because he wouldn't stay away from his father. She caught him at a hotel, picking up some money for his Dad, if I remember correctly.

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                                                                                                      #20.5 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:26 PM EDT
                                                                                                      evilgenius

                                                                                                      But, in the island world, before the plane crashed, in one of Locke's flashbacks, didn't Helen leave him? I don't think they were together when the plane crashed in season 1...

                                                                                                      Your correct - Helen did leave him in the episode Lockdown.

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                                                                                                      #20.6 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:48 PM EDT
                                                                                                      NCL70506

                                                                                                      sweetpeas - Regarding your above comment: “something that had been bothering me about Claire. At least twice now she's mentioned that everybody except for Nem abandoned her (which is why she trusts him). But she left, she wasn't abandoned.” - I wondered something very similar; see my post in 18.0 and 18.5. Claire has said a couple of times that she was with Locke/Nemesis ever since the Losties left the Island, but the Losties were still there! I am glad that you also noticed and pointed out that she actually left them! She seems confused about what really happened.

                                                                                                        #20.7 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:26 PM EDT
                                                                                                        kcjhawk

                                                                                                        Well she had been blown up right before, so if not "dead" she at least had to have had a concussion or been in shock. Much like Jack is right now.

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                                                                                                        #20.8 - Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:04 AM EDT
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                                                                                                        partlycloudy

                                                                                                        Also,,, why does smokey need Lockes body? He apparently already was already using Christians body. So he must have a 'special' reason for using Locke. In fact, it appears he could have used any deceased persons body on the island, and God knows there's been plenty! So again, why Locke?

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                                                                                                        Reply#21 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:01 AM EDT
                                                                                                        T Bourlon

                                                                                                        At the time he needed to impersonate Locke so that he could get Ben to kill Jacob - just like how he used Alex's body to convince Ben to do EVERYTHING Locke told him.

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                                                                                                        #21.1 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:05 AM EDT
                                                                                                        partlycloudy

                                                                                                        T Bourton,,, Ahhhhhhhh,,,,,,, I got it. Thanks. Very enlightening. darn I never looked at it from that angle. Very good!

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                                                                                                        #21.2 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:22 AM EDT
                                                                                                        Foundling

                                                                                                        Does anyone have a good explanation as to how MIB appeared as Christian off Island to Jack? And if that was an illusion (similar to Claire appearing to Kate to tell Kate not to bring Aaron back)... how the heck did he appear to Michael on the freighter before the thing blew up? I thought he was unable to cross the water, and also the freighter was outside the perimeter of the island.

                                                                                                        Perhaps I'm missing something.

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                                                                                                        #21.3 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:44 AM EDT
                                                                                                        Rennie-293321

                                                                                                        I think he probably chose Locke because Locke was a candidate and presumed leader of the others. Locke would be allowed to see Jacob. I don't know that any of the others could have done that. Locke could manipulate Ben into killing Jacob.

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                                                                                                        #21.4 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:45 AM EDT
                                                                                                        LostGirl

                                                                                                        If NotLocke was using Christian's body and appearing as Christian to people on the island, then what Ben's mom? How did she appear on the island to Ben? She wasn't killed on the island. So who was that?

                                                                                                        I guess it's also safe to assume that since NotLocke was impersonating Christian that Jacob's cabin was really his (NotLocke's prison)? Which again you'd have to ask - if he was in the cabin, how could he roam the island as the Smoke Monster?

                                                                                                        And I think someone brought it up earlier, but wasn't it Eloise that encouraged Jack to bring Locke's body back with Christian's shoes? Why his shoes and is Eloise on the side of NotLocke?

                                                                                                        Siigh..so many questions..

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                                                                                                        #21.5 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:51 PM EDT
                                                                                                        Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute

                                                                                                        Does anyone have a good explanation as to how MIB appeared as Christian off Island to Jack? And if that was an illusion (similar to Claire appearing to Kate to tell Kate not to bring Aaron back)... how the heck did he appear to Michael on the freighter before the thing blew up? I thought he was unable to cross the water, and also the freighter was outside the perimeter of the island.

                                                                                                        Perhaps I'm missing something.

                                                                                                        Foundling, sadly the answers are "no" and "you're not, but the writers are hoping everyone else is" ; ) But I agree it's possible that those instances you mentioned were "illusions" - as many times we've seen different characters have different types.

                                                                                                        But the trend the PTB - Powers That Be, as I'm sick of blaming writers over Cuselof or vice versa - are setting is that once they give you an "answer" like they've been doing lately (whispers, Christian's identity, numbers etc.), that's the bone you've been thrown so they don't have to address it anymore, and that's unfortunate.

                                                                                                          #21.6 - Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:09 PM EDT
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                                                                                                          sawyerfan

                                                                                                          I think the whole episode was about FAITH. Just like the characters keep fighting between good and evil, sometimes they'll need faith just to go through the struggles. When this show ends, we'll all learn a god lesson on Faith, Choices, Evil, Goodness in us etc... I love love love this show and will never watch tv anymore when it ends.

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                                                                                                          Reply#22 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:41 AM EDT
                                                                                                          T Bourlon
                                                                                                        • How did Sun recognize Locke in the hospital?
                                                                                                        • The realities are merging as more of them come together. Besides, she DID have a near-death experience.

                                                                                                        • Did Sayid really kill Desmond?
                                                                                                        • I'm leaning towards no, mainly because of that "once they start talking" rule. Then there's Hurley's reference to Anakin Skywalker - funny, 'cause last week I was calling him Darth Sayid. And he didn't shoot Zoe (too bad), telling UnLocke there was no reason to once he found out about the package. There's still something in there.

                                                                                                        • Why did Zoe and/or Widmore call off Sawyer's deal?
                                                                                                        • 'Cause Widmore is a double-dealing bastard who never intended to honor the "deal" in the first place. He's no better than UnLocke.

                                                                                                        • Is Jack aligned with Nemesis now?
                                                                                                        • No. He understood the danger, but made his "choice" anyway. He's still his own man.

                                                                                                          I thought the episode was FANTASTIC. Things are really moving along now, and we're headed toward the final showdown. Of course, the STUPID thing is, Widmore knows DARNED WELL that those missles he's firing aren't going to hurt the smoke monster, so I don't know why he's doing that. They could just as easily kill Desmond. Maybe someone's got some ideas on this?

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                                                                                                          Reply#23 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:03 AM EDT
                                                                                                          Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute

                                                                                                          And he didn't shoot Zoe (too bad), telling UnLocke there was no reason to once he found out about the package. There's still something in there.

                                                                                                          Interesting idea. I also agree about Zoe (yuck!) and Widmissiles.

                                                                                                            #23.1 - Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:15 PM EDT
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                                                                                                            Lost in Space and Time 316

                                                                                                            I really did think this was a great episode. I'm confused about the comments about too much filler talk???? Up until this point some asked why the characters never seemed to discuss what just happened, now we are seeing them communicate and it's too much? I thought it was important that MIB didn't just tell us that he was Christian, but why he didn't keep that form and moved to Locke. What I don't get is; how did it go from night to day in the few minutes that MIB and Jack talked away from camp and then came back, and why Widmore is "bombing" MIB??? what does he think that is going to do? I think it was a weak attempt to show MIB that Widmore means business, but somehow I think MIB already knows that.

                                                                                                            I also wonder if it is going to be important that Jack couldn't hear MIB when he said "you are with me now"????

                                                                                                          • How did Sun recognize Locke in the hospital? the whole near death, power of love connection between the sideways world and the island world.
                                                                                                          • Did Sayid really kill Desmond? no way brutha'. I like what others have already said about Sayid showing free will and that will lead him to redemption, but I'm not convinced that is MIB's plan. It seems that ever time Jacob brought people to the island, it was a test of fate vs. free will. If MIB wants people to show free will, then why all the lies?
                                                                                                          • Why did Zoe and/or Widmore call off Sawyer's deal? The deal was to deliver MIB/Locke, no MIB, no deal.
                                                                                                          • Is Jack aligned with Nemesis now? I don't think so what he said to Sawyer on the boat, questioning MIB's motives and that MIB seems to be more scared that everyone will want to stay then leave, makes me think that Jack isn't aligned with anyone. He is waiting to see how it plays out.
                                                                                                          • My big question of the night - why did Sawyer still have his shirt on once he got onto the boat? sigh!

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                                                                                                            Reply#24 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:09 AM EDT
                                                                                                            blackwidow1

                                                                                                            and why Widmore is "bombing" MIB??? what does he think that is going to do? I think it was a weak attempt to show MIB that Widmore means business, but somehow I think MIB already knows that.

                                                                                                            LiSaT316 -

                                                                                                            Bombing a smoke monster does seem like a relatively ineffectual way to destroy it doesn’t it? And if Widmore knows more than he’s letting on (as we heard Locke say to Widmore in “The Package”), then it makes no sense why he’d be bombing the island. I mean the absolute most a bomb could do is knock off the Locke-suit. And I think that Smokey in a Locke-suit would be much easier to capture and detain (or maybe “locke-up” … that’s funny … Smokey is locked-up in Locke) than trying to reign in the monster while he’s in full-smokey-form.

                                                                                                            All I can figure is that Widmore’s looking to take out any humans who are assisting MIB – poor, poor redshirts - or that Widmore doesn’t know as much as he thinks he does.

                                                                                                            Sad really, even though these people are theoretically “with” MIB since they left the temple after being given the “come with me or die” option, they are in fact Others. So, Widmore, in his quest to obtain whatever it is he’s here to obtain (personally I still think he just wants control of the island) is basically slaughtering his own people. He was once leader of the Other. Now he’s bombing them. Nice guy.

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                                                                                                            #24.1 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:26 PM EDT
                                                                                                            T Bourlon

                                                                                                            Yeah "nice guy," he also sent mercenaries to kill everyone on the island. I guess that didn't work out too well, so he's trying another tactic. But the "others" kicked him off the island, so I'm guessing he doesn't think of them as "his people" anymore. Not that it's an okay thing to do, that is.

                                                                                                              #24.2 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:23 PM EDT
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                                                                                                              mrosebud42

                                                                                                              Loved this one! Sideways universe the characters are finding each other. Either by force or by design. I kept waiting to see Juliet as Sun's doctor. Any one else? And....Sun and Jin's reunion. I had about given up on that.

                                                                                                              How did Sun recognize Locke in the hospital? The only explanation is the timelines merging or the discovery that the sideways universe is incorrect.

                                                                                                              Did Sayid really kill Desmond? Nope. Sayid is still in there somewhere. He's operating under the delusion that he will get Nadia back. I hope Des can talk some sence into him and he'll snap out of the Zombie spell.

                                                                                                              Why did Zoe and/or Widmore call off Sawyer's deal? Because that's what Widmore does. And he want's Desmond back. Des is not with them so I guess Widmore figures something is rotten in Denmark.

                                                                                                              Is Jack aligned with Nemesis now? Nope. Not a chance. Jack is trusting himself more instead of questioning the "why's" and "why not's". However....I thought it was interesting Jack in dark colors as well as Nemesis.

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                                                                                                              Reply#25 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:29 AM EDT
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