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LOST: The Candidates Learn "What They Died For"

Tue May 18, 2010 10:12 PM EDT
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By Steve Watts

Live Poll

What did you think of this episode?

View Results
  • 98174
    Fantastic
    65%
  • 98175
    Pretty good
    32%
  • 98176
    Mediocre
    3%
  • 98177
    Terrible
    0%

VoteTotal Votes: 429

Live Poll

Best episode of Season 1:

View Results
  • 98178
    Pilot
    56%
  • 98179
    Walkabout
    30%
  • 98180
    Exodus
    14%

VoteTotal Votes: 332

Live Poll

Best episode of Season 2:

View Results
  • 98181
    Live Together, Die Alone
    37%
  • 98182
    Man of Science, Man of Faith
    48%
  • 98183
    Orientation
    15%

VoteTotal Votes: 308

Live Poll

Best episode of Season 3:

View Results
  • 98184
    Flashes Before Your Eyes
    15%
  • 98185
    Through the Looking Glass
    79%
  • 98186
    Tricia Tanaka is Dead
    6%

VoteTotal Votes: 310

Live Poll

Best episode of Season 4:

View Results
  • 98187
    The Constant
    80%
  • 98188
    The Shape of Things to Come
    9%
  • 98189
    There's No Place Like Home
    11%

VoteTotal Votes: 318

Live Poll

Best episode of Season 5:

View Results
  • 98190
    The Incident
    25%
  • 98191
    LaFleur
    43%
  • 98192
    The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham
    32%

VoteTotal Votes: 321

Live Poll

Best episode of Season 6:

View Results
  • 98193
    Ab Aeterno
    59%
  • 98194
    LA X
    27%
  • 98195
    Sundown
    14%

VoteTotal Votes: 325

Live Poll

Best Love Story / Romance:

View Results
  • 98196
    Juliet and Sawyer
    27%
  • 98197
    Penny and Desmond
    59%
  • 98198
    Jack and Kate
    2%
  • 98199
    Rose and Bernard
    11%

VoteTotal Votes: 397

Live Poll

Worst Love Story / Romance:

View Results
  • 98200
    Eloise Hawking and Charles Widmore
    17%
  • 98201
    Nikki and Paulo
    63%
  • 98202
    Sayid and Shannon
    20%

VoteTotal Votes: 394

Live Poll

Best Prop:

View Results
  • 98203
    Squirrel Baby
    18%
  • 98204
    Dharma beer
    41%
  • 98205
    Flaming VW Bus
    41%

VoteTotal Votes: 391

Live Poll

Best Sawyerism:

View Results
  • 98206
    "All I care about is this whiskey..."
    17%
  • 98207
    "...off the set of a Burt Reynolds movie"
    49%
  • 98208
    "Mr. Clean"
    34%

VoteTotal Votes: 380

Live Poll

Best Minor Character:

View Results
  • 98209
    Mr. Eko
    38%
  • 98210
    Vincent
    9%
  • 98211
    Daniel Faraday
    53%

VoteTotal Votes: 400

Live Poll

Best Fight Scene:

View Results
  • 98212
    Hurley Van Rescue
    48%
  • 98213
    Sayid vs. Dogen
    20%
  • 98214
    Jack Beats Down Ben
    32%

VoteTotal Votes: 388

Live Poll

Funniest Episode:

View Results
  • 98215
    Some Like it Hoth
    42%
  • 98216
    Everybody Hates Hugo
    52%
  • 98217
    The Lie
    6%

VoteTotal Votes: 334

Live Poll

Most Touching Episode:

View Results
  • 98218
    Greatest Hits
    24%
  • 98219
    Dr. Linus
    32%
  • 98220
    LaFleur
    43%

VoteTotal Votes: 338

Live Poll

Most Shocking Moment:

View Results
  • 98221
    Ben Murders Locke
    32%
  • 98222
    Michael Murders Libby and Ana Lucia
    39%
  • 98223
    Keamy Murders Alex
    18%
  • 98224
    Daniel's Death (Confronting Eloise)
    11%

VoteTotal Votes: 395

Live Poll

Most Annoying Character

View Results
  • 98225
    Shannon
    26%
  • 98226
    Radzinsky
    35%
  • 98227
    Zoe
    39%

VoteTotal Votes: 389

Live Poll

Best Male Character

View Results
  • 98228
    Locke
    37%
  • 98229
    Sawyer
    32%
  • 98230
    Hurley
    31%

VoteTotal Votes: 390

Live Poll

Best Female Character:

View Results
  • 98231
    Juliet
    48%
  • 98232
    Sun
    30%
  • 98233
    Kate
    22%

VoteTotal Votes: 390

Live Poll

Best Villain:

View Results
  • 98234
    Ben Linus
    75%
  • 98235
    Nemesis
    18%
  • 98236
    Keamy
    7%

VoteTotal Votes: 392

Live Poll

Best Bromance

View Results
  • 98237
    Miles and Hurley
    41%
  • 98238
    Sawyer and Miles
    23%
  • 98239
    Sawyer and Hurley
    36%

VoteTotal Votes: 394

Live Poll

Best Lost-ism:

View Results
  • 98240
    Artzed
    70%
  • 98241
    EFWAK
    24%
  • 98242
    Loochies
    6%

VoteTotal Votes: 356

Live Poll

Best Death:

View Results
  • 98246
    Charlie (Not Penny's Boat)
    86%
  • 98247
    Ilana (Artzed)
    8%
  • 98248
    Edmund Burke (Hit by Bus)
    6%

VoteTotal Votes: 396

Live Poll

Most-Deserved Death:

View Results
  • 98249
    Keamy
    51%
  • 98250
    Michael
    7%
  • 98251
    Anthony Cooper
    41%

VoteTotal Votes: 393

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Jacob anoints a new Protector of the Island, as Nemesis comes across a new piece of information that could prove dangerous.


Note: "Lost in the Vines" is made for discussion of the series "Lost" on ABC. As such, here be spoilers! We talk frankly about the events of the night, speculate about future events, and so on. Read no further if you don't want spoilers.

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While Locke devises a new strategy, Jack's group searches for Desmond.

The Big Reveal: Jack has become the new Protector; Zoe, Widmore, and possibly Richard have been killed; Ben has switched alliances to Nemesis; Nemesis plans to use Desmond to destroy the Island; in the sideways, Desmond continues to orchestrate his plan to bring the Losties together.

Summary

Jack wakes in his room, and finds blood on his neck. He wipes at it, and his son says good morning and that he made breakfast. Jack jokes that opening cereal isn't making breakfast. Daniel asks if he's coming to the concert, and Jack asks if his mother is coming too. Daniel says yes, but warns him not to "get weird." Claire enters and says good morning. Jack asks how she's doing, and she says the baby kicks like crazy at night.

Jack gets a phone call, and a representative from Oceanic Airlines says they found the missing cargo. They say it will arrive in L.A. by the end of the day. On the other line, the Oceanic representative is actually Desmond, who apologizes for it taking so long.

Jack tends to Kate, stitching her wound. He says if he doesn't do this it will get infected. Kate tells him that Sun and Jin had a little girl. She tells Jack that Jin hadn't met her yet. She angrily says that "Locke" did this to them. She says they have to kill him. Jack says, he knows.

=================

Sawyer watches as life vests from the sub wash up on the beach. Kate leans on his shoulder and Hurley watches, then they're joined by Jack. He says they need to go. He tells them about Desmond in the well, and points out that if Nemesis wants him dead they're going to need him.

Desmond watches John Locke in his wheelchair as he's greeted by a student. Desmond starts up his car, and Ben stops him. He shouts that he's making a citizen's arrest, but Desmond punches him. Ben says he won't let him hurt Mr. Locke again. Desmond says he's not here to hurt him. Ben asks who he is, and Desmond punches him repeatedly. Ben has a flash of being punched by Desmond on the Island.

Ben, Miles, and Richard walk through the jungle. Miles asks if this is a shortcut, and Ben says he lived here for a long time. Richard asks how much explosive they have access to. Ben says it's enough to blow up the plane, and that he hid the C4 in his secret room behind the bookcase. When they arrive at the village, Miles hears something. He starts to explain, and Richard tells Ben that it's his daughter. He says that after he left, Richard buried her by the fence. Ben thanks Richard, and walks away.

Ben enters his house and opens the bookcase. Miles sees symbols on the wall and asks what it is. Ben says that's where he was told he could summon the monster, before he realized it was summoning him. He opens a vault and shows them the C4. He asks if they want enough to disable the plane or blow it up entirely. Richard says they should blow it to hell, and Ben says they need to take it all. As they gather it, they hear a noise, and go out to draw their guns on Zoe. She tells them to calm down. Widmore enters, saying she's with him. He greets Ben.

=================

Ben asks Widmore what he's doing here, who tells him to put the gun down. He tells Zoe to sink the sub. Ben says she's not going anywhere, but Widmore says he's not going to do anything. Zoe leaves, and he asks Ben what they're doing. Richard explains about the explosives, and Widmore says that he already planted explosives on the plane. As usual, he says, he's three steps ahead. Ben asks why he came back, and Widmore says Jacob summoned him. Ben calls it a lie and says he's never even met Jacob. Widmore says Jacob visited him after the freighter explosion. He says he told him everything he needed to know for this exact purpose. Ben asks, what purpose? Widmore is interrupted by Zoe, pointing out Nemesis coming. Widmore tells her to get back here quickly, and tells Ben they need to hide.

The nurse tends to Ben's wounds, and leaves to get an ice pack. Locke enters and asks if he's alright. Ben says he got into a fight with the man who ran him down. He says he approached him and he just attacked him. He says while he was beating him, he saw something. Locke calls the police, but Ben says he may not want to do that. He says the man told him he was just trying to get Locke to let go. He asks if that means anything to him.


On the other end of the line, the officer hangs up the phone. Desmond enters and says he'd like to see a detective, please.

Miles puts on a tie, saying he's going to a benefit concert. He asks if Sawyer wants to come. Sawyer asks if Charlotte will be there, and passes when he says yes. Desmond enters, telling the detectives about the hit and run and today's beating. He confesses to committing both crimes. He's led into a jail cell with Sayid. He greets him, and then Kate.

Jack asks if Sawyer has any idea where the well is. Sawyer says it's about an hour from camp. Sawyer asks why Nemesis didn't just kill Desmond. Jack says it may be one of his "rules." Sawyer asks about the rules, the one that they couldn't kill them. Jack says he's been wrong before. Sawyer asks if he killed Sun, Jin, and Sayid. Jack says no, Nemesis killed them.

Hurley and Kate follow close behind, and Hurley sees young Jacob. Kate keeps walking, and Jacob tells him to give him the ashes from Ilana. Hurley asks why, and Jacob says they're his. Hurley asks what he wants them for, but Jacob takes them and runs. Hurley chases after him, and finds adult Jacob. Hurley says he's been waiting for him to show up, where has he been? Jacob says he's here now. Hurley asks if he saw the little kid with the ashes. Jacob says the ashes are in the fire, and once they burn out he'll never see him again. Hurley says he should get his friends, because they're very close to the end.

=================

Nemesis exits his canoe. Zoe runs in, telling Widmore to go. Widmore starts to guide them into the hidden room. Miles suggests they run through the jungle. Ben asks for Widmore's walkie-talkies. He hands one to Miles. Widmore says that Nemesis is going to kill him, and Ben says he supposes that makes this goodbye. Richard also suggests talking with him. Richard says all he wants is for him to join, so if he can get him to leave it might give the rest of them a chance.

Richard walks out, surveying the territory, and the Smoke Monster throws him across a field. Ben takes a seat on the porch, and Nemesis approaches. He says Ben is just the man he was looking for. Ben jokes that he should get a glass of lemonade. Nemesis says he needs Ben to kill some people for him. Ben asks why he would do that. Nemesis says once he leaves this Island, he can have it all to himself. Ben agrees, and Nemesis asks whose outrigger it is on the dock. Ben says it's Widmore's, and Nemesis asks where he could be found. Ben says, he's hiding in the closet.

Alex asks what happened, and Ben says he found someone with a temper. Alex asks who would ever want to hurt him. Ben says he just confused him with someone else. Alex suggests he get a ride with her mom. She chides him into it, and Alex introduces Ben to Danielle. She invites him over to dinner. Danielle says she insists, even if she has to kidnap him.

Ben helps clean up after dinner. Danielle thanks him for coming. Ben asks where her father is, and she says Alex died when she was two. She says that's probably why Alex is so attached to him. She tells Ben he's the closest thing to a father she's ever had. Ben looks at Alex and starts to cry. Danielle asks if he's alright. He says it must be the onions, and they share a moment.

Ben points out the bookcase and says they're inside. He warns him that she's armed. Nemesis says to wait out here, since he doesn't need to see this. Ben tells him that he wants to see it. Nemesis enters, and says what a pleasant surprise. He asks her name, and Zoe tells her name. Charles tells her not to talk to him, and Nemesis slits her throat. Widmore asks why he did that. Nemesis says he told her not to talk to him, and that made her useless. He says it's clear Widmore isn't afraid to die, so there's only one way to motivate him. He says soon this will be over, he'll get what he wants, and leave this Island.

He says when he leaves the first thing he's going to do is kill his daughter Penny. Widmore says he'll kill her no matter what. Nemesis says no he won't, he'll keep his word. Widmore reluctantly tells him he brought Desmond here due to his resistance to electromagnetism. He says Desmond was a last resort. Widmore says he's not saying any more in front of Ben. Nemesis suggests he whisper instead. Widmore starts to, but Ben shoots him. He says that Widmore doesn't get to save his daughter. Nemesis says he never ceases to amaze him. Ben asks if there are other people to kill.

Hurley leads the others to Jacob, who greets them all one by one. Hurley starts to tell him what he said, and Jack says he heard him. Hurley asks if Kate and Sawyer can hear him too, and Sawyer nods. Kate asks if he's the one who wrote their names on the wall. She asks if he wrote Sun and Sayid and Jin's names on the wall too. He says yes. Kate asks if that's why they're dead. Jacob apologizes, but Kate presses, asking to know why they died. She says she wants to know they didn't die for nothing. Jacob tells them to come sit down, and he'll tell them what they died for. He says he'll tell them why he chose them, and why he chose them. He says he'll tell them about protecting the Island because when the fire burns out, one of them is going to have to start doing it.

=================

Jack works in his office, and Locke enters. They greet each other and Locke asks about the picture of his family. Jack talks about his son, and asks what he can do for Mr. Locke. Locke says that they were on the same plane from Sydney, he gave him his card, and he threw it away. He says he got hit by a car, and from all the doctors in L.A. he got him. He says Jack still wanted to fix him, and he still didn't want to be fixed. Then, he says, the man who ran him down showed up again and beat up a teacher.

He says he was there to help him let go. He says that's the exact thing Jack said to them the last time they were together. Jack asks if it's an accusation, and Locke says no. He suggests maybe all this is happening for a reason. He says maybe Locke is supposed to fix him. Jack says he's confusing coincidence for fate. Locke says he can call it whatever he wants, but he's here, and he's ready to get out of this chair.

Jacob laments not knowing where to start, and Hurley says how about why he brought them to the Island. Jacob says he brought them there because he made a mistake, and because of that mistake there's a very good chance that everyone they care about will die. Sawyer asks, what mistake. Jacob explains that they call him the monster, but he's responsible for making him that way. He says ever since then, Nemesis has been trying to kill him. He says it was only a matter of time before he figured out how, and when he did, someone would have to replace him.

Sawyer asks why he has to be punished for his mistake. He says he was doing fine before. Jacob says no he wasn't, none of them were. He says he didn't pluck any of them out of a happy existence. He says they were all flawed, and he chose them because they were like him. He says they were all looking for something they couldn't find out there. He says they needed this place as much as it needed them. Kate asks why he crossed off her name. He says it was because she became a mother. He says it was just a line of chalk in a cave, the job is still hers if she wants it.

Jack asks what the job is. Jacob explains that there's a light at the center of the Island, and their job is to make sure it never goes out. Sawyer says the monster told them there was nothing to protect it from. Jacob tells him they have to protect it from the monster. He says they have to do what he wasn't able to do. Jack asks, he wants them to kill him? He asks if it's even possible. Jacob says he hopes so, because he's certainly going to try to kill them. Hurley asks how he's going to pick. Jacob says he's not going to pick, he wants them to have a choice. Kate asks what if none of them choose to do it? Jacob says then this will go badly. Jack volunteers, saying this is what he's supposed to do. Jacob asks him if it's a question. Jack says, no. Jacob tells him good, then it's time.

=================

Jacob takes Jack away. Sawyer jokes that Jack has a god complex. Hurley says he's just glad it's not him. Jacob asks if Jack remembers the bamboo field he woke up in, and tells him that beyond that and a ridge is the heart of the Island. It's where Nemesis wants to go, and what he has to protect. Jack says there's nothing there. Jacob says yes there is, and now he'll be able to get there. He asks Jack for a cup, fills it with water from a stream, and tells him to drink it. Jack asks how long he's going to have to do this job. Jacob says, as long as he can. Jack drinks from the cup. Jacob tells Jack that now he's like him.

Sawyer enters the lockup to send the prisoners off to county. Kate says he could still let her go. Sawyer asks why he'd do that, and she says because he believed her when she said she was innocent. He says he's a cop, and she says he doesn't seem like a cop to him. He leaves.


In the van, Desmond says he think it's time to leave. Kate asks what he's talking about, and Sayid calls him crazy. Kate asks about the "crazy" remark, and Desmond explains that he ran over a guy in a wheelchair. Desmond says, alright, he's crazy, but do they want to get out of here or not? Kate asks if he's just going to tell the driver to stop. Desmond says the driver knows where to stop, but they're going to have to trust him and do as he asks. Sayid and Kate jokingly agree, but then the van stops.

Ana Lucia opens the door, asking which one Hume is. She asks where the friend with the money is, and Desmond says he'll be here. She unlocks his cuffs. Desmond sees a van pulling up and says here he comes. Hurley gets out, and says he didn't know Ana Lucia would be here. She asks what he means, and he stammers out that they never met. He gives her the money, and she leaves. He asks Desmond if she's not coming, and Desmond says she's not ready yet. Hurley says he brought a car and gives instructions. Desmond says Kate is with him and Sayid is with Hurley. Kate asks what he means by that. Desmond gets out a dress and tells her that they're going to a concert.

Ben asks Nemesis why he bothers walking if he can turn to smoke. Nemesis says he likes the feeling of the ground under his feet, to remind him that he was human. He sees the well. Ben asks if he's thirsty. Nemesis says this is the well he threw Desmond Hume into. He says he sent Sayid to kill Desmond but he obviously didn't. Ben sees the rope and says it looks like someone helped him out. Nemesis says no, someone helped him out. Ben asks what Widmore told him. Nemesis says Desmond was a fail safe just in case Nemesis killed all the candidates. Ben asks why he'd be so happy about that. Nemesis says he's going to find Desmond, who will help him do the one thing he never could: destroy the Island.

Cut to LOST

The Big Questions:

  • Why did knowing not to talk to Nemesis make Zoe "pointless"?
  • How is Desmond a fail-safe for the candidates?
  • Why can Jack now locate the Island's heart, when he couldn't before?
  • What is Desmond's plan for gathering the (sideways) Losties?
  • How does Nemesis plan to use Desmond to destroy the Island?

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Steve Watts

Ah, the penultimate episode. I was pretty surprised to hear Tom Bergeron use it correctly, everyone gets that wrong.

Don't forget to vote in the polls for the Smokies! I have them set for a week, but whatever is the final decisions when I'm preparing for the big Sunday finale will be the official winners.

What can I really say about this episode? It was setting all the chess pieces into place for the finale. I loved (loved loved) the bits with Desmond setting all these disparate parts in motion for his master plan. I can't wait to see how it unfolds. I especially loved the little bit with Hurley and Ana Lucia.

On the other hand, I hated (hated hated) Ben's turnaround. It was like the writers smacking us in the face. Hey, remember that amazing episode where Ben finally redeemed himself? Yeah, never mind.

Onto the Big Questions. I suppose I might have some on Sunday, but those will be more moot, won't they? More discussion starters than anything I'll expect to be answered. So in a way, this is kind of the final set of Big Questions. Savor them! Speaking of Sunday, by the way, I'm dreading it. My wrists are tired today, so I get to multiply that by 2.5. Youch.

Why did knowing not to talk to Nemesis make Zoe "pointless"?

Hell if I know. They keep bringing up that rule but I'm not sure they'll ever clarify it. To be fair, though, Zoe was always pretty pointless. (ZING!)

How is Desmond a fail-safe for the candidates?

I'm sure this is something that will be made clear soon. But interestingly, now that Jack is the Protector, is a fail-safe even needed? Nemesis can't kill Jack. I suppose that's why they brought Ben into the fold, to make it clear that even if Nemesis can't directly kill Jack, there's still someone who is allowed to within the rules. But we all know that isn't going to happen, so I'm not sure the "fail-safe" thing is even going to come up.

Why can Jack now locate the Island's heart, when he couldn't before?

Island magic.

What is Desmond's plan for gathering the (sideways) Losties?

Lostie Nirvana.

How does Nemesis plan to use Desmond to destroy the Island?

I would assume, since Desmond is immune to electromagnetism, and we know the light is electromagnetic, he plans to throw poor Desy down there. Or maybe that's the fail-safe. I could see it going either way, I suppose. Desmond could "break" the Island by being immune to it, or become something equal in power to Nemesis to fight him off.

  • 7 votes
#1 - Tue May 18, 2010 10:19 PM EDT
Inchiki

now that Jack is the Protector, is a fail-safe even needed? Is there something that prevents Ben or Claire from killing Jack? What about Locke manipulating the other candidates, say Kate, to kill Jack. Still very cloudy on the rules, but it still seems that a fail-safe would be useful.

  • 1 vote
#1.1 - Tue May 18, 2010 10:59 PM EDT
Scott (Scoop) Butki

Great episode - muuuuuch better than last week's but now I see why they did it when and how they did.

Saw it in a theater and there were points where people appluaded and sounded shocked.

I like this review of it, which I'm going to seed.

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Wed May 19, 2010 1:41 AM EDT
Merlin-834235

I just wanted to get this point in early, just in case it's possible that someone may have missed the information regarding Day and Time for the finale'. The 3-1/2 hour finale' is on SUNDAY (5 DAYS FROM NOW) MAY 23rd... 7 PM... 6 CENTRAL. I am setting all possible alarms and leaving notes for myself everywhere, so that I don't forget the day/time change. IT JUST WOULD NOT DO TO MISS THE FINALE' after 6 years of investment in the story that changed television and the lives of Millions of rabid LOST fans. I will comment later on this episode.... but needless to say, I voted "FANTASTIC"! I am very sad the story is coming to an end and I wish they wouldn't 'flash-back' to death scenes in the intro (I tear up), but I guess that will be coming to an end on Sunday. I'm not exactly sure when I will break out the DVD's and start all over again, but I know it will be soon!

Just one comment while tonight's episode is fresh in my mind... I don't know how they plan to work it all out, but it looks to me like Jack 'fixing' Locke in sidewaysland MIGHT be the key to saving the (Island? World? People?) and it's beginning to gel that it is Desmond that has 'Aligned' the 'fates'...

-=M=-

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  • 8 votes
#1.3 - Wed May 19, 2010 1:44 AM EDT
NCL70506

Actually, I understood that the series finale itself is 2 1/2 hours on Sunday . . . . There is a 2 hour pre-show and recap. Then the 2 1/2 hour series finale. Then there is a special edition of Jimmy Kimmel Live with some of the actors and a tape of Cuse and Lindelof.

Also, ABC is airing the 2 hour Lost Pilot episode this Saturday night.

  • 4 votes
#1.4 - Wed May 19, 2010 2:39 AM EDT
Merlin-834235

Actually, I'm not certain how it will be 'divvied up', but Online TV Guide shows LOST as running from 7:00 pm to 10:30 PM out here on the West coast. I plan on viewing every minute, no matter what they are showing! I plan to watch the Jimmy Kimmel Live wrap-up also. Should be a record audience for that show also!

Just as I was dozing off into dreamland, the thought popped into my mind that perhaps Ben has finally come to the realization that Nemesis bears the 'bottom line' responsibility for the death of Alex and has put a plan in motion wherein he stays alive... Nemesis doesn't see him as a threat and Ben is there, unsuspected... when it comes time to KILL Nemesis! Which he does! Now... wouldn't THAT be redemption for Ben? There is the problem of letting Nemesis speak first, thereby stopping a person from killing him... but I'm thinking that MIGHT apply only when Nemesis sees that person as a 'threat' OR a candidate... with Ben playing it cool, Nemesis might not foresee him as a threat... giving Ben the perfect chance to revenge Alex's death! I can just imagine 200 Million viewers around the world jumping up and yelling "Way to go, Ben!" at that moment! I love the idea!! .... (many mini earthquakes recorded around the world at that moment!... The M.A.S.H. FINALE' has heretofore been the highest ranked TV show (for episodic TV) at 106 Million viewers. and I'm thinking (and hoping) that the LOST finale' should surpass that by a goodly margin! ... you GO Ben!!

-=M=-

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  • 3 votes
#1.5 - Wed May 19, 2010 4:47 AM EDT
pinkcap

Merlin

NCL is right. You should check on that listing. Everything might start for you at 6 instead of 7. If everything for you ends at 10:30, then the show itself would start at 8 which means the pre-show would start at 6.

  • 1 vote
#1.6 - Wed May 19, 2010 9:15 AM EDT
Shaun Guidolin

Great episode this week.. it had pretty much everything in both timelines. I wish the whole season was like this.

Why did knowing not to talk to Nemesis make Zoe "pointless"?

Hell if I know. They keep bringing up that rule but I'm not sure they'll ever clarify it. To be fair, though, Zoe was always pretty pointless. (ZING!)

I think it had something to do with the "don't talk to him first before you kill him, because once you talk to him you can't kill him" thing .. once she talked, she could then be killed and wasn't important. Because Widmore stopped her from talking, showed NemLocke that she wasn't special. Widmore was special, and couldn't be killed by Locke, which is why Ben had to kill him.

How is Desmond a fail-safe for the candidates?

I'm sure this is something that will be made clear soon. But interestingly, now that Jack is the Protector, is a fail-safe even needed? Nemesis can't kill Jack. I suppose that's why they brought Ben into the fold, to make it clear that even if Nemesis can't directly kill Jack, there's still someone who is allowed to within the rules. But we all know that isn't going to happen, so I'm not sure the "fail-safe" thing is even going to come up.

Desmond is obviously special, so he has some ability that even Jacob doesn't have.

Why can Jack now locate the Island's heart, when he couldn't before?

Island magic.

I call it more "enlightenment" .. now that his eyes are "fully" open he can see everything. The question Jack should have asked was .. "Hey Jake baby, how do you get on and off the island so easily?"

.. and on a side note, the Sawyer "god complex" line was great.

What is Desmond's plan for gathering the (sideways) Losties?

Lostie Nirvana.

This is turning very interesting... because not only is what is he going to do, but what in the hell is going to happen when they all get together? And how does this all tie into the other timeline.

.. and one other question, Why do the "flashes" of the other timeline only happen one way?

On the other hand, I hated (hated hated) Ben's turnaround. It was like the writers smacking us in the face. Hey, remember that amazing episode where Ben finally redeemed himself? Yeah, never mind.

I have a slightly different take ... Ben has always loved one thing more than anything and that's the island. Once Locke told him he could have the island, Ben changed ... plus he HATES Widmore, so his options at this point may be limited.

This part of the show brought up a couple interesting things too..

- Where the heck is Miles going by himself in the jungle?

- Boy did Alpert get treated like a piece of garbage ... I guess he's not all that important.

  • 3 votes
#1.7 - Wed May 19, 2010 9:55 AM EDT
Susanaree

Also loved when Hurley recognized Ana Lucia - just how connected is he to both worlds? More than I thought, certainly.

To be fair, though, Zoe was always pretty pointless. (ZING!)

Double ZING

  • What is Desmond's plan for gathering the (sideways) Losties?

It seems everyone is preparing for a benefit concert (am I wrong or was that the event Eloise and Charles were hosting?) - Daniel, Miles, Desmond, Kate, Jack, his wife and son, Charlotte, Dr. Chang - all part of it. I'm sure the rest of them (Sayid, Sawyer, Hurley, Ben, Alex, Danielle, Claire and Charlie) will be there too.

Personally, if the music of L O S T is featured in The End, that would be very satisfying to me, since it is so evocative. I was even watching Jimmy Fallon's satire of L O S T (L A T E) last night, and as stupid as it was, when they played the score, I was sucked in!

  • 2 votes
#1.8 - Wed May 19, 2010 10:10 AM EDT
Pfemm

Really quick...

How could you leave Jin and Sun of the "Best Love Story/Romance" Poll????!?!?!

:(

  • 9 votes
#1.9 - Wed May 19, 2010 10:11 AM EDT
Pfemm

On the other hand, I hated (hated hated) Ben's turnaround. It was like the writers smacking us in the face. Hey, remember that amazing episode where Ben finally redeemed himself? Yeah, never mind

I agree with Merlin...

Ben has finally come to the realization that Nemesis bears the 'bottom line' responsibility for the death of Alex

As soon as Ben shot Widmore I thought... He totally killed* (lol) two birds with one stone.

1) he eliminated his arch rival, Widmore

2) he gained Nemesis' trust (well as much as can be gained)

    #1.10 - Wed May 19, 2010 10:38 AM EDT
    JohnBoy813

    With regards to the Jimmy Kimmel special, I saw a promo that said they would be showing 3 alternate endings. I guess that they show 4 endings, the real one plus 3 fake ones so that even the cast would not know how it was going to end.

    • 1 vote
    #1.11 - Wed May 19, 2010 10:52 AM EDT
    T Bourlon

    "Really quick...

    How could you leave Jin and Sun of the "Best Love Story/Romance" Poll????!?!?!"

    GOOD QUESTION!

    • 2 votes
    #1.12 - Wed May 19, 2010 11:04 AM EDT
    Nicey-1026620

    Great Polls this week Steve!

    1) "Walkabout" will always be one of my favorite episodes. It by far has one of the best twists of the series with Johns character being in a wheelchair. But "Thru the Looking Glass" is my other favorite, when they flipped from Flashbacks, also Charlies death.

    2) Wow. Jack and Kate hated! I think Penny and Desmond do have the best one because they are intwined across the cosmos.

    3) No Jack under best male Character? I don't understand why people dislike him so much (often the complaint is he's a complainer, but still he's always been the leader, standup, immediately takes Jacobs responsibility, etc, etc), but I like John a lot too.

    4) Ben best Villian? Give me a break. We found out he's a wussssssssssssssssssssssssssss. At first his villian character was quite dynamic, but basically we found out he's a faker, never saw Jacob, does really bad stuff, somehow no one has just shot him and been done with it, and he's continually getting beat up.

    • 2 votes
    #1.13 - Wed May 19, 2010 11:24 AM EDT
    Nicey-1026620

    Ben has finally come to the realization that Nemesis bears the 'bottom line' responsibility for the death of Alex

    I've never given Ben all that much credit. He's seen as a deep villian, but I think he's not actually all that smart.

    I'm going with...emotional at seeing the location of daughters burial, couldn't hold it together and lost it with a gun.

    Maybe he is trying to get at Nemisis, but I think he's just jealous of everyone else getting in on the candidate stuff and he wants a slice of the power play.

      #1.14 - Wed May 19, 2010 11:27 AM EDT
      Lori-1673701

      Will Dogen also be at the concert since we also saw his son the last time playing there?

        #1.15 - Wed May 19, 2010 11:53 AM EDT
        T Bourlon

        The thing about Ben is he was a really different kind of villian, scheming and manipulative and has no trouble killing people. Remember when he stabbed Keamy, and Locke said "but the freighter will blow up and kill people," and Ben said "So?" But you don't have any of the ridiculous gloating or evil laugh, thank God!

        • 1 vote
        #1.16 - Wed May 19, 2010 12:04 PM EDT
        Nicey-1026620

        scheming and manipulative and has no trouble killing people. Remember when he stabbed Keamy, and Locke said "but the freighter will blow up and kill people," and Ben said "So"

        I think he does have a problem *actually* killing people.

        Why did he kill Keamy? Daughter. The only time he can actually do the deed himself is when he is completely emotionally driven to do so. Look at him killing Jacob, he almost had a melt down.

        When he was digging his own grave? Weak. Completely weak, begging for his life, no self respect at all.

        He usually has *other people* do his dirty work. Yeah, he's a manipulator, yes I used to think his character was a very dynamic, smart, ahead of the game villian. But the last 2 seasons he's looked completely incompetent.

        Despite living on the Island his whole life, he knows very little about its importance. He's just a typical mass murdering dictator.

        His character in my mind looks so weak now, it's hard for me to believe his own people didn't just overthrow him because how could he possibly be the guy in charge?

          #1.17 - Wed May 19, 2010 12:18 PM EDT
          WMLizard

          Totally different reaction than the (few) postings I've read so far to Nemesis' killing Zoe. I interpreted his comment to mean simply that if she wasn't going to give him information, there was no reason to deal with her. Nothing about the "don't let him talk to you" rule - Nemesis had already spoken to her, she replied with at least a few words, but when she obeyed Charles and shut up, Nemesis figured he wouldn't get anything good about their reason for being on the island, so he killed her. At least in part to show Charles he was willing and able to do so, to frighten him about Penny's fate if Charles didn't tell Nemesis what he wanted to know.

          • 5 votes
          #1.18 - Wed May 19, 2010 12:50 PM EDT
          T Bourlon

          "The only time he can actually do the deed himself is when he is completely emotionally driven to do so."

          Except for when he tried to kill Charlotte - if she hadn't been wearing a vest he would have succeeded. I think the reason he seems so "Lost" since killing Jacob is because he realizes he screwed up and sided with the wrong guy. His world has been turned upside down and he doesn't really know what to do. But he did CHOOSE to go with Ilyana instead of Nemesis, he's just not a very good "good guy" because he's been out of it for so long. But I think that's about to change.

          • 1 vote
          #1.19 - Wed May 19, 2010 12:52 PM EDT
          Steve Watts

          I understand what you guys are saying about Ben doing it to gain Nemesis' trust, but even then I'm not sure I like the explanation. His redemption came from not being a schemer, and now he's scheming again. Even if it's for the good of the Island, it's not exactly honorable -- and I think some of his old vengeance came back when he killed Widmore in any event.

          3) No Jack under best male Character? I don't understand why people dislike him so much (often the complaint is he's a complainer, but still he's always been the leader, standup, immediately takes Jacobs responsibility, etc, etc), but I like John a lot too.

          Just to clarify in case anyone is confused, I didn't pick the nominees. They're based on the top three vote-getters from this article, though I did prune some choices that didn't really fit. (Like for Lost-isms, I was referring to terms the fan community has made up, not terms used in the show.) You might also notice some categories have four nominees instead of three, and in those cases there was a tie during the nomination process.

          So, yeah, Jack got nominated but only got 5 votes, so he wasn't included.

          • 1 vote
          #1.20 - Wed May 19, 2010 1:08 PM EDT
          Superman2001

          The Big Questions:

          • Why did knowing not to talk to Nemesis make Zoe "pointless"?

          Because Nemesis had questions, and if Zoe wasn't going to answer them... well, you get the idea. Adios, Zoe.

          • How is Desmond a fail-safe for the candidates?

          This is what we're going to find out on Sunday. I wish we knew what makes Desmond special to begin with, but hopefully that will be touched on also.

          • Why can Jack now locate the Island's heart, when he couldn't before?

          For the same reason that Nemesis couldn't find it for 30 years until Jacob took him there. It's hidden unless you're the protector, in which case, you can go there and you can take other people there.

          • What is Desmond's plan for gathering the (sideways) Losties?

          I don't know, but I like it.

          • How does Nemesis plan to use Desmond to destroy the Island?

          I think we might see him set Desmond off, somehow. He can't get to the heart of the Island, but he can get to the donkey wheel. Maybe if he sends Desmond through the donkey wheel portal???

            #1.21 - Wed May 19, 2010 2:05 PM EDT
            Nicey-1026620

            So, yeah, Jack got nominated but only got 5 votes, so he wasn't included.

            Burn...too many people are too hard on Jack. Hahahaha.

              #1.22 - Wed May 19, 2010 2:21 PM EDT
              gecko85

              I just confirmed the west coast schedule: starts at 7:00pm, ends at 11:30pm. That's what my DirecTV guide says...

              • 1 vote
              #1.23 - Wed May 19, 2010 2:48 PM EDT
              NCL70506

              Shaun - Richard Alpert was important; he was important to Jacob. He was the liaison between Jacob and the people who came to the Island. Now that Jacob is gone, he may no longer be needed. I hope that Richard is still alive and can assist in the take down of the smoke monster. If that was his death scene in last night's episode, that's just a lame way for the writers to kill off such an intriguing character.

                #1.24 - Wed May 19, 2010 3:06 PM EDT
                Superman2001

                Yeah, I think Richard is still alive.

                By the way, Bill Simmons (aka ESPN's The Sports Guy) did a one hour podcast last week with Carlton Cuse. I'm seeding it. Some interesting things that he pointed out in that one hour that I don't think I've ever heard before.

                  #1.25 - Wed May 19, 2010 3:45 PM EDT
                  Scott (Scoop) Butki

                  My sister's musings on last nite's episode of Lost (which, as usual, I agree with)

                  Nicely done:

                  • Ben asking Smokey why he walks when he could fly
                  • Miles’ mentioning they were in the compound 30 years ago, which was last week
                  • in sideways world showing Ana Lucia as a dirty cop and Rousseau (sp?) as a sane woman and mom
                  • cuts and bruises on Ben and Jack’s faces appearing in both worlds

                  Questions:

                  • where is Claire on the island? Haven’t seen her since the sub blew up.
                  • will Kate stay on the island with Jack?
                  • wouldn’t it be interesting if Hurley was the one who became the protector? Remember, he’s been working those numbers a long time and he can see dead people.
                  • why haven’t they showed who Jack’s son’s mom is yet? Everyone’s predicting Juliet, but maybe there’s someone else out there we’ve forgotten about who’d be more interesting/shocking...

                  One more “nicely done”: Jack sewing up Kate in this episode as Kate sewed him up in the pilot. Just like starting the show with Jack opening one eye—it’s mirroring the beginning of it all.

                  One more question that will surely not be answered: why did Richard bury Alex in such a strange place, outside his front gate?

                  One question that may have been answered and is now irrelevant: why was Widmore at Ben’s house, knowing he could be killed there by Smokey, and how did he know they were there?

                  Finally, What do people make of the creepy female voiceover at the end? Who or what was that?

                    #1.26 - Wed May 19, 2010 6:22 PM EDT
                    pinkcap

                    One more question that will surely not be answered: why did Richard bury Alex in such a strange place, outside his front gate?

                    Scot - I believe that's the spot where she was shot. I'm assuming he buried her there because it was convenient.

                    • 2 votes
                    #1.27 - Wed May 19, 2010 6:28 PM EDT
                    Superman2001

                    I don't know how convenient it was to bury her right there by a fence. Of course, the Others didn't perform burials, they sent their dead off into the sea on a burning float. Don't know what the significance is of that practice, if there is any. Maybe Richard buried her there because "it seems as good a place as any, and hell, she's right here anyways". They should have addressed that long ago, and even given her a grave marker. Just loose ends.

                    Back to Scott: Where is Claire on the Island?
                    I hadn't thought about that. I was musing on who may have pulled Desmond out of the well (presuming that it wasn't Sayid, since Sayid told Jack that he was still in the well), and thought of the Others who defected to Bad Locke's side in Sundown, which included Cindy and the kids. However, we don't know whether they survived Widmore's assault on the camp, and we haven't seen them since then. I guess maybe they did though, and that's where Claire is. Of course, since the sub blew up, we hadn't seen Bad Locke until he rowed back over the main island and zoomed up to the Barracks. That missing time probably holds an explanation as to Claire's whereabouts, and maybe even the rest of the Other defectors.

                    As to the question about whether Kate will stay with Jack, that really raises a whole set of questions about how they are going to defeat Nemesis, what will become of the Island and those on it, what happens to the Sideways existence, etc., etc.

                      #1.28 - Wed May 19, 2010 7:04 PM EDT
                      Scott (Scoop) Butki

                      I like these reviews of this episode, from Entertainment Weekly and AV Club

                        #1.29 - Wed May 19, 2010 10:49 PM EDT
                        Susanaree

                        As to the question about whether Kate will stay with Jack, that really raises a whole set of questions about how they are going to defeat Nemesis, what will become of the Island and those on it, what happens to the Sideways existence, etc., etc.

                        Talking to a Lostie co-worker this morning who had an interesting take on why Jacob said what he did to Kate - she was crossed off because she was a mother. Co-worker believes he wasn't referring to Aaron at all, and that Kate is pregnant.

                        Just throwing it out there.

                        • 3 votes
                        #1.30 - Thu May 20, 2010 10:15 AM EDT
                        Superman2001

                        She and Jack did get down the night before they came back, and that was only a couple weeks ago in Island time, right? It's possible. Doubtful, since the easy explanation is that he was talking about Aaron, but still possible.

                          #1.31 - Thu May 20, 2010 1:17 PM EDT
                          lostinventura

                          so funny b/c when they did "get down", i thought "uh, oh, paging baby shepard-austin"

                            #1.32 - Thu May 20, 2010 1:24 PM EDT
                            Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute

                            I thought it was weird when NemLocke & Ben were at the well and they saw the rope leading down - Ben sez "looks like someone helped (Des) out" and Locke sez "someone helped ME out" - not sure why that struck me as so odd, other than I don't know what NemLocke's referring to?

                            Even if I did, why would he bring that up like that? Unless he somehow WANTED Des out of the well?

                            • 1 vote
                            #1.33 - Thu May 20, 2010 11:48 PM EDT
                            Superman2001

                            Santa Rosa, it was strange to me too.

                            Maybe he's saying that Mother helped him out when she closed the donkey wheel off and killed all the people.

                              #1.34 - Fri May 21, 2010 1:57 PM EDT
                              Shebow

                              I think Locke is referring to what Widmore told him. Now he knows (or thinks he knows?) how to operate the tool that Desmond is.

                                #1.35 - Fri May 21, 2010 4:48 PM EDT
                                Sabastian Palpatine

                                shebow,

                                Did you just call Desmond a tool? For the love of all that is good and holy, please observe the Vine CoH!

                                Just kidding, I new what you meant but I couldn't resist ;)

                                  #1.36 - Fri May 21, 2010 6:11 PM EDT
                                  Scott (Scoop) Butki

                                  ah, that clarifies things a little bit:

                                  'Lost' exclusive: ABC sets the record straight about the series finale's plane crash images

                                    #1.37 - Thu May 27, 2010 1:36 AM EDT
                                    Superman2001

                                    While there still may be unanswered questions related to that religious and spiritual conclusion to the "Lost" story, the photographs were really just a nostalgic, transitional touch added by ABC executives — and not executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse.

                                    Those execs are idiots if they didn't anticipate LOST fans going ape over the final images of the show.

                                      #1.38 - Thu May 27, 2010 2:10 PM EDT
                                      belle42

                                      What do you expect from a Mickey Mouse organization? (Disney owns ABC for those of you who didn't get the joke)

                                        #1.39 - Thu May 27, 2010 2:13 PM EDT
                                        Reply
                                        Anjillina
                                      • Why did knowing not to talk to Nemesis make Zoe "pointless"? As we've seen in previous episodes - the way Nemesis is able to manipulate folks is most often through talking to them. (possibly Jacob as well). As soon as Widmore said "don't talk to him", Nemesis knew she wasn't worth his effort or time to mess with as time is now of the essence.
                                      • How is Desmond a fail-safe for the candidates? Better for the island to be destroyed than for Nemesis to get off the island into the real world. Desmond could possibly actually withstand the magnetism long enough to set off an event that would actually destroy the island. Although since Nemesis seems sort of ok with that, I'm not sure it could work.
                                      • Why can Jack now locate the Island's heart, when he couldn't before? Part of Jacob's protection of the heart kept it hidden and inaccessible to anyone. Just like they never saw his lighthouse until he wanted them too.
                                      • What is Desmond's plan for gathering the (sideways) Losties? Crazy cool. It obviously has something to do with that concert that Jack's son is playing at. Can't figure out who all is going to end up there though. Obviously Jack, Kate, Sayid, Desmond, Hurley, Miles and Jack's mysterious ex-wife (Juliet! I hope!) Probably Sawyer via Miles. Possibly Claire as Jack's sister. I can't figure out if/how Locke and Ben end up there. Charlie's possibly still in town as well. Miles said Charlotte will be there.
                                      • How does Nemesis plan to use Desmond to destroy the Island? Possibly using that machine Widmore had with the huge magnetic coils? Not really sure. Something with similar magnetic force (but possibly greater) than when he blew up the station before.
                                      • Cheers: Jack as Jacob. Actually works pretty well. Hurley saying "I'm just glad it's not me". Ana Lucia showing up (and taking a bribe!) as dirty LA street cop. And Desmond saying "she's not ready yet." And alternate universe Ben and Rousseau bonding/romance! Very sweet. OH - and Locke in the alternate verse talking to Jack and saying "maybe it's all connected" and sounding very old school cool Locke on the island.

                                        Jeers: Ben with Nemesis and shooting Widmore etc. And acting like creepy evil Ben again. Grrrr. I hope he's just playing along to stay alive at the moment. Desmond still missing. Widmore telling Nemesis anything before dying - makes me nervous.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        #2 - Tue May 18, 2010 10:31 PM EDT
                                        Nicey-1026620

                                        How is Desmond a fail-safe for the candidates? Better for the island to be destroyed than for Nemesis to get off the island into the real world. Desmond could possibly actually withstand the magnetism long enough to set off an event that would actually destroy the island. Although since Nemesis seems sort of ok with that, I'm not sure it could work.

                                        ? Nemsis said he plans to blow up the Island didn't he? Seems like that has been his goal all along and maybe how he can get off. It's probably the Islands power that keeps him there.

                                          #2.1 - Wed May 19, 2010 11:28 AM EDT
                                          Anjillina

                                          That makes sense. Well, I don't think his original plan was to blow it up - I think he was just going to leave, but he had to kill all the candidates to do it (re: have them kill each other). I think now he's decided if he can't kill them all, he'll just destroy the island and die with it if necessary other than continuing to be trapped there. But I could be wrong.

                                            #2.2 - Wed May 19, 2010 2:05 PM EDT
                                            NCL70506

                                            This is such a puzzle. If the Smoke Monster leaves the Island, we have been told that would be a very, very bad thing. We have also been told that the "light" in the cave is life, death, rebirth, and the heart of the Island and must be protected. If the light goes out on the Island, it goes out everywhere . . . . So if the Island is destroyed and sinks (we did see it on the ocean floor in the sideways world), whether it's due to the Smoke Monster, Jack, or Desmond, that means the light went out on the Island, I guess. And that's a bad thing, right? - Because then the light will go out everywhere.

                                            So, I am not sure how the sideways world is "OK" if the Island is at the bottom of the ocean, presumably with the "light" gone.

                                            • 4 votes
                                            #2.3 - Wed May 19, 2010 4:08 PM EDT
                                            Sabastian Palpatine

                                            So, I am not sure how the sideways world is "OK" if the Island is at the bottom of the ocean, presumably with the "light" gone.

                                            Let the records show that I have argued this point since LA X. I had no idea about the Light at the heart of the island but it just seemed weird to me that no one questioned the danger of such a special Island being lifeless (for lack of a better description) under water in the flash sideway universe.

                                            It just can't be good.

                                              #2.4 - Wed May 19, 2010 4:15 PM EDT
                                              OnlyChild

                                              I suspect the island in the ocean is a red herring. Don't know how.

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #2.5 - Wed May 19, 2010 4:18 PM EDT
                                              pinkcap

                                              So, I am not sure how the sideways world is "OK" if the Island is at the bottom of the ocean, presumably with the "light" gone.

                                              NCL - I've been wondering what is missing in the sideways world all season. If the island sank, then what happened to the smoke monster in that world? Was he destroyed when the island went down? Now we have the question you asked - how is the sideways world ok if the light went out when the island went down. The only thing that I can see missing in their lives is that great, overwhelming feeling of love that Charlie was describing to Desmond. But if it's love that's missing, it only seems to be missing in the survivor's lives. Is it missing in the lives of the entire population? Rose and Bernard still have it, but Rose and Bernard seemed to have a knowledge that the others don't. You could see it in the conversations Rose had with Jack and Locke, and the conversation that Bernard had with Jack.

                                                #2.6 - Wed May 19, 2010 4:28 PM EDT
                                                T Bourlon

                                                I hate to be technical, but it seems you are assuming that being underwater will somehow "put out the light." I don't know what "the light" is, but I'm pretty sure it's not a fire or something that can be estinguished by water. I mean, water ran into it, right? But maybe I'm not understanding what you are saying.

                                                  #2.7 - Wed May 19, 2010 6:29 PM EDT
                                                  NCL70506

                                                  T Bourlon - Well, that's why I said "presumably with the light gone." I don't know for certain that the light will go out if the Island sinks, but it seems likely. I just don't see this turning into Atlantis with the Island continuing to function underwater. Let's just wait for the finale and see what happens.

                                                    #2.8 - Wed May 19, 2010 8:41 PM EDT
                                                    minklady

                                                    Jin and Sun are still at the hospital aren't they? I wonder when Ben and/or Locke and/or Jack will run into them. And if it is so important to get everyone together, shouldn't Jin and Sun be at the concert also?

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    #2.9 - Wed May 19, 2010 9:34 PM EDT
                                                    minklady

                                                    And I'd like to add that the concert is at the museum right? With all of those ancient relics on display, it's possible that there is one from the island (from hundreds of years ago) that still has the bugga boo juice to bring it all together. Maybe it's the other half of something that is yet to be found on the island. And once it is found, and everyone is together, and the planets line up. Poof!

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    #2.10 - Wed May 19, 2010 10:27 PM EDT
                                                    OnlyChild

                                                    That would be a great twist, but I have been assuming it is an outdoor concert with the perfectly set tables that Eloise was arranging. Did David say he was performing or just going? Maybe a student wouldn't be performing at such a prestigious society event. The outdoor set would give characters a chance to move about. Minklady, you should have been writing this section of the story - I like the bugga boo juice idea a lot.

                                                    How about this? It is an outdoor concert and suddenly a cloud comes over. It is a rare rainstorm and then a gigantic lightning strike . . .

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    #2.11 - Wed May 19, 2010 11:09 PM EDT
                                                    ctina1973

                                                    Eloise was arranging those tables several days ago in their time. Des has had time to do all this stuff like run Locke over and Locke has had surgery and recovered already before the concert. I think those are two separate events.

                                                      #2.12 - Thu May 20, 2010 3:45 AM EDT
                                                      minklady

                                                      I thought that Miles said somewhere along the line that he was going to his father's place of business, which is the museum. I agree about the outdoor setting, but possibly it's at the museum? I'll have to go back and look.

                                                        #2.13 - Thu May 20, 2010 8:22 AM EDT
                                                        minklady

                                                        Thank you to Lostpedia.

                                                        "As the LAPD officer hangs up on Locke's terminated phonecall, Desmond arrives and asks to see a detective. Meanwhile, Det. Straume is reminding Det. Ford about the benefit concert set for that evening at his dad's museum."

                                                          #2.14 - Thu May 20, 2010 8:31 AM EDT
                                                          OnlyChild

                                                          My mistake, ctina and minklady. Yes, at the museum. I mixed them up. The knives will probably be facing the wrong way with no Eloise to make sure it is all correct.

                                                            #2.15 - Thu May 20, 2010 11:23 AM EDT
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                                                            jen-793050

                                                            Great episode. Short sweet to the point.

                                                          • Why did knowing not to talk to Nemesis make Zoe "pointless"?
                                                          • He was going to kill her anyways, so Whitmore just sped up the process by saying that.

                                                          • How is Desmond a fail-safe for the candidates?
                                                          • Not sure.

                                                          • Why can Jack now locate the Island's heart, when he couldn't before?
                                                          • He drank the Jacob juice

                                                          • What is Desmond's plan for gathering the (sideways) Losties?
                                                          • However he is going to do it, I'm sure it's going to be good.

                                                          • How does Nemesis plan to use Desmond to destroy the Island?
                                                          • Maybe throw him in the tunnel?

                                                              Reply#3 - Tue May 18, 2010 10:35 PM EDT
                                                              johnkathy94

                                                              jen793050 - i think you hit the nail on the head about putting des in the tunnel. he can go down there and possibly that is when the worlds come together. also at the same time in sideways world, jack will be operating on locke and that is when his memory will come back and he will kill locke on the table (much like he did with ben's operation)

                                                              one other thought, maybe dr. chang knew of smokey during dharma days and the button had to be pushed every 108 minutes to keep smokey in check, like a prison of some kine

                                                                #3.1 - Wed May 19, 2010 10:24 AM EDT
                                                                ginger44

                                                                hahah - love the "jacob's juice" comment

                                                                  #3.2 - Wed May 19, 2010 1:06 PM EDT
                                                                  lostinventura
                                                                • How does Nemesis plan to use Desmond to destroy the Island?
                                                                • Maybe throw him in the tunnel?

                                                                  I agree. That was my first and only instinct about MIB's plan for Desmond. and it would at least make that stupid Light at athe end of the Tunnel tunnel have future meaning--sorry so dispapointed in last week's production value for the "heart of the island.". We don't know what Widmore said to MIB, but whatever it was, it seems to be what changed MIB's mind and use for Desmond.

                                                                  • 1 vote
                                                                  #3.3 - Wed May 19, 2010 3:26 PM EDT
                                                                  Texas21

                                                                  With everyone gathered at the concert; seems like the focus for Desmond has been on Hurley, Jack, Kate, Sayid with Sawyer going with Miles - I wonder if Sun and Jin are no longer in play since they died on the island - how will they get to the concert and why would they now? ARe they out of the story all together now? It seems like it. And Lapedus.... where is he - I don't think he is dead. I am not sure if Richard is dead since they didn't show his body and I agree with others who said that woudl be a totally bogus way to treat that character's demise.

                                                                  Also one thing is bothering me in regards to the sideways timeline - Desmond told Jack (as an airline rep) to come to the airport to pick up his father's body. How is he going to go to the airport AND be at the concert. Is something going to occur at the airport to "waken" him up so he goes to the concert informed? I can't think of any other reason for him to be at the airport as all are being gathered together in one spot. Timing will be tight

                                                                  Will Widmore and Eloise be able to contain MIB or offer advise -on the rules or how to circumvent MIB? Will there be a showdown at the concert instead of on the island? Will Jack operate on Locke instead of going to the concert and kill him during the surgery - depriving MIB of a body in the sideways timeline? And how could that be when it takes time/days to set up hospital operations - or will Locke possibly be injured at the concert, necessitating Jack's medical expertise and giving enlightend Jack an opportunity to kill MIB via Locke's body? UNLESS he can do some kind of excorcism during the surgery - that is kind of out there - I know - but I keep coming back to Desmond's call to Jack and Desmond positioning Sayid and Kate prior to the concert. Will Sayid's talents be used to get Locke into surgery position?

                                                                  I can hardly wait to see the finale. This has been such a wonderful show and I agree with all the posters in the enjoyment factor.

                                                                  Someone told me today they are thinking to make a movie out this? Has anyone else heard that? That was the first time I had heard that.

                                                                  • 2 votes
                                                                  #3.4 - Wed May 19, 2010 10:49 PM EDT
                                                                  OnlyChild

                                                                  Texas21 - It does seem that Jack might be delayed getting to the concert. And he can't get "weird", whatever that is - jealous of his ex-wife perhaps? Drinking? Something made him distant from his son, previous to the sideways flash.

                                                                    #3.5 - Wed May 19, 2010 11:27 PM EDT
                                                                    Susanaree

                                                                    Texas21 - you summed up (most of) my anxieties very nicely! It's always good to know you're not alone! Thanks.

                                                                    • 1 vote
                                                                    #3.6 - Thu May 20, 2010 10:21 AM EDT
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                                                                    Mr. Petey

                                                                    okay, once again, I got misty for Jin, Sun and my boy, the Iraqi torturer....Zoe and Charles, they were just too much clutter to keep around...Jack has the Island now, and what did Jacob tell Kate, "it was just a chalk line on the wall of a cave...the job is still yours if you want it.." wow, I really thought there was more to it that just that...really curious to see how Des pulls the sideways Losties together, and I always love to see Ana Lucia....Petey OUT

                                                                    • 1 vote
                                                                    Reply#4 - Tue May 18, 2010 10:43 PM EDT
                                                                    dcotts42

                                                                    Jacob explained to her "you became a mother" so he crossed her off. That means that the Kwon on the wall was Jin.

                                                                    • 7 votes
                                                                    #4.1 - Wed May 19, 2010 8:42 AM EDT
                                                                    Sandra Dee-977431

                                                                    I think the Kwon couldve gone either way. One parent would still be avail.

                                                                      #4.2 - Wed May 19, 2010 8:25 PM EDT
                                                                      Bordsox-999133

                                                                      I don't think that she was crossed off simply because she became a mother but that for a while her life had real meaning and direction for the first time. Didn't Jacob say that they were chosen because they were flawed and unhappy?

                                                                        #4.3 - Thu May 20, 2010 2:32 AM EDT
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                                                                        Inchiki

                                                                        Like Steve said there are so many questions, but it's practically pointless so close to the conclusion. Still I have to wonder where's Claire and what instructions did Locke give to her. Is Claire Locke's failsafe? Is Ben really aligned with Locke or was it a temporary thing to eliminate Widmore? Although Locke promised the Island to Ben, how does this alliance change now that Locke admitted that he intends to destroy the Island by using Desmond? For Ben, is Widmore's death worth the Island? Or does Ben have a plan to destroy Locke and having revenge on both Jacob and Smoke, both having manipulated his life? What will save the Island--Sideways Locke's gaining the use of his legs or his death on the operating table?

                                                                        Was the Sideways with Alex supposed to reinforce that Ben is evil in the Island time?

                                                                        Ah, Sawyer, one good quip (God complex!) at Jack's expense. But it was great that Jack put the blame for the submarine squarely on Locke and made Sawyer realize that he should feel no remorse. Also, it was refreshing that Jacob removed Kate from being a candidate because she was raising Aaron. In so many things in life, we all would want the opportunity to choose.

                                                                        The last official questions:

                                                                        • Why did knowing not to talk to Nemesis make Zoe "pointless"? If Zoe won’t speak to Locke, then Locke can’t influence/manipulate her. Like the instructions to kill the Smoke Monster, the person has to strike before allowing the Smoke Monster to talk. Once Smoke speaks, he has gained some measure of control over that person.
                                                                        • How is Desmond a fail-safe for the candidates? I have little less than five days to figure that out.
                                                                        • Why can Jack now locate the Island's heart, when he couldn't before? As the protector, he has the ability.
                                                                        • What is Desmond's plan for gathering the (sideways) Losties? Apparently they are all gathering at the concert that Jack’s son will be performing.
                                                                        • How does Nemesis plan to use Desmond to destroy the Island?

                                                                        Aloha.

                                                                        • 2 votes
                                                                        Reply#5 - Tue May 18, 2010 10:51 PM EDT
                                                                        pinkcap

                                                                        But it was great that Jack put the blame for the submarine squarely on Locke and made Sawyer realize that he should feel no remorse.

                                                                        Inchiki - I loved that scene. Sawyer knows he made a mistake and feels guilty about Sun, Jin, and Sayid. I think he finally knows what it's like to be in Jack's shoes. You make a decision that you feel is the right one for everyone, but it turns out to be tragically wrong. Jack gave Sawyer the absolution he needed and put the blame exactly where it belonged - on the MIB.

                                                                        • 11 votes
                                                                        #5.1 - Tue May 18, 2010 11:43 PM EDT
                                                                        kcjhawk

                                                                        But Sawyer still should have been ashamed after how he treated Jack when Juliet died. Then he carried that grudge, wouldn't believe Jack about the submarine bomb and the other Losties were killed. Jack acted just the opposite of how Sawyer did and comforted Sawyer, but if I were Sawyer, I'd still feel guilty. Or at least I think he should still feel guilty.

                                                                        • 2 votes
                                                                        #5.2 - Wed May 19, 2010 10:12 AM EDT
                                                                        JohnBoy813

                                                                        Inchini, One thing that puzzles me on what Ben will actually do next since Nem first promised Ben the island and then after Ben killed Charles he (Nem) said that he was going to destroy the island. I figured that Ben would say 'You are not going to destroy my home' and then have some way to destroy him.

                                                                          #5.3 - Wed May 19, 2010 11:01 AM EDT
                                                                          mrosebud42

                                                                          After reading some posts and thinking....what if Ben is playing us? And Nem? I'd be one of the first to do the happy dance if that turns out to be true. Ben is a weasel, and it would be just like him to lie to everyone.

                                                                          • 1 vote
                                                                          #5.4 - Wed May 19, 2010 2:47 PM EDT
                                                                          Sabastian Palpatine

                                                                          Ben at his core is a liar. That being said, 99% of the time you can trust Ben to be "Ben". That is to say Ben is addicted to power. If Ben can save the island (for purely selfish reasons) then Ben will be the perfect soldier and be a major weapon against MIB.

                                                                            #5.5 - Wed May 19, 2010 4:21 PM EDT
                                                                            One Miscreant

                                                                            If Ben can save the island (for purely selfish reasons) then Ben will be the perfect soldier and be a major weapon against MIB.

                                                                            But will he work for Jack? He'll never be #1 now, that Jack drank the Kool-Aid.

                                                                              #5.6 - Wed May 19, 2010 7:17 PM EDT
                                                                              Sabastian Palpatine

                                                                              I'm not sure.

                                                                              Does Ben know that Jack drank the Kool-Aid? He was Jacob's (or MIB pretending to be Jacob) number 2, perhaps if Jack has the same management style as Jacob (not telling his followers what to do in order to give them what Jacob never had, a choice) then perhaps Ben would work for him.

                                                                                #5.7 - Wed May 19, 2010 7:25 PM EDT
                                                                                Inchiki

                                                                                Johnboy,

                                                                                I understood Jacob to mean that the Candidates had no great motivating factor to return to the normal world. There was no reason to stay in the real world and the Island needed them as much as they needed the Island, if you will. I think that kinda explains Ben's situation--he's got nowhere to go now that Alex is dead. Contrast that against his existence in the Sideways. In the end, I expect Ben to take a stab (pun intended) at Locke because he won't want Locke to destroy the Island and he gets revenge on the Smoke Monster. There's no good reason to be Locke's lapdog going forward.

                                                                                  #5.8 - Wed May 19, 2010 9:16 PM EDT
                                                                                  Shebow

                                                                                  I think Ben has always represented faith based on blind obedience instead of love. Ben lived a distinctly lonely existence in service to the island. He believed there would be a payoff someday of entering Jacob's world. He has lived to receive Jacob's love and acceptance by doing what he asked. Now he's discovered he served a lie, his faith was a lie and that every rotten, cold thing he did was not for some greater good for the island. This makes him a man without faith now and nothing left to lose. I don't think he wants the island or is taken in by Locke. I am very curious to see on Sunday what Ben chooses.

                                                                                  • 4 votes
                                                                                  #5.9 - Thu May 20, 2010 9:37 PM EDT
                                                                                  Lori-1673701

                                                                                  I think Ben has always represented faith based on blind obedience instead of love. Ben lived a distinctly lonely existence in service to the island. He believed there would be a payoff someday of entering Jacob's world.

                                                                                  Shebow good point! Almost sounds like Jacob. The time when BIB still livedw/Mother. She did favored him. (Ben=Jacob and Jacob = Mother)

                                                                                    #5.10 - Thu May 20, 2010 10:51 PM EDT
                                                                                    Shebow

                                                                                    Good point back at ya, Lori. I hadn't connected how similar Jacob's path was to Ben's.

                                                                                      #5.11 - Fri May 21, 2010 4:49 PM EDT
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                                                                                      Herbcules74

                                                                                      WOW...WOW....WOW....WOW. Fabulous episode. I'm almost speechless. If this was the set up for the finale all I can say is I can't wait for Sunday.

                                                                                      Cheers: One last Ben beating by Desmond. It's been too long sine we have seen someone kick the crap out of him. Poor Ben even gets beat up in the sideways world.

                                                                                      Miles: "What's that...a secreter room?" LOL

                                                                                      Nemesis killing Zoey.....she was totally unnecessary

                                                                                      Jeers: Sad sack Sawyer....I hope we see some more of the classic Sawyer in the finale

                                                                                      Questions:

                                                                                    • Why did knowing not to talk to Nemesis make Zoe "pointless"?
                                                                                    • She was just pointless anyway. He was going to kill them both. Once Widmore told her to shut up Nemesis figured there was no point in letting her live.

                                                                                    • How is Desmond a fail-safe for the candidates?
                                                                                    • I have no clue. For some reason my mind keeps thinking that Desmond might be a sort of gate keeper to all worlds and all possibilities. I have no idea what that means but it's just a thought that keeps popping up in my head.

                                                                                    • Why can Jack now locate the Island's heart, when he couldn't before?
                                                                                    • Because only the protector of the light can tell people where to find it. Part of the reason the light stays hidden is because it wants to stay hidden....sort of a built in security system. If everyone could just find the light it would be impossible to protect it.

                                                                                    • What is Desmond's plan for gathering the (sideways) Losties?
                                                                                    • I don't know what the master plan is but they are either all going to end up at the concert or the airport. I have a weird feeling that they are all going to end up at LAX.

                                                                                    • How does Nemesis plan to use Desmond to destroy the Island?
                                                                                    • No Clue.

                                                                                      I'm starting to feel like the writers may be able to pull off the finale after all. After this episode I think it is going to be a satisfactory conclusion.

                                                                                      I wonder what Ben's plan is. He gave up Widmore pretty damn quick. I want to believe that Ben really did turn a corner in the episode when he told Ilana that no one would have him. I started to like the idea of Ben ending up a good guy. I don't think he gave up Widmore just to save himself. He still blamed Charles for Alex's death. By shooting Charles he got some form of vengeance. I don't believe he is going to kill anyone for Nemesis. I think in sideways world Ben had better watch out for Danielle Rousseau. When she told him that she wouldn't use as much onion the next time it was obvious that she has a thing for Ben. Then Ben really will be Alex's father. It was nice to see Rousseau looking somewhat normal.

                                                                                      Why can Jack, Sawyer, and Kate now see Jacob. Did burning his ashes somehow bring him back to life for a short time so he could pass on the job to Jack? I like that Jacob confirmed that he picked all of them because they were such flawed people. It looks like he crossed people off the wall not because they were unworthy, but because they had something in their lives that would be more important to them then the Island. Kate was only crossed off because she became a mother to Aaron. A big CHEERS to Jack for stepping up right away to become the new protector. I liked Jack in Season 1 but as the series went on i started to hate him. He became like-able again this season. I really started to root for him a few weeks ago. As always I know I have more but I'm at a loss for words now. More later

                                                                                      Herb

                                                                                      Anyone else here planning on taking Monday off from work....LOL

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                                                                                      Reply#6 - Tue May 18, 2010 10:57 PM EDT
                                                                                      T Bourlon

                                                                                      It looks like he crossed people off the wall not because they were unworthy, but because they had something in their lives that would be more important to them then the Island. Kate was only crossed off because she became a mother to Aaron.

                                                                                      Yeah, well what about Jin and Sun? THEY had a child too, why weren't THEY eliminated? I think because Ji Yeon was the KWON candidate - will she replace Jack in 20-30 years?

                                                                                      • 6 votes
                                                                                      #6.1 - Tue May 18, 2010 11:17 PM EDT
                                                                                      Deborah SG

                                                                                      Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Desmond as psychopomp!

                                                                                      In Jungian psychology, the psychopomp is a mediator between the unconscious and conscious realms. It is symbolically personified in dreams as a wise man (or woman), or sometimes as a helpful animal. In many cultures, the shaman also fulfills the role of the psychopomp. This may include not only accompanying the soul of the dead, but also vice versa: to help at birth, to introduce the newborn child's soul to the world (p. 36 of [1]).

                                                                                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopomp

                                                                                      Love your take, Herbcules! You nailed Desmond's role!

                                                                                      Love that Jacob has a very human heart (Kate's motherhood).

                                                                                      Love that, sooner or later, everyone seems to get sick of taking care of the island.

                                                                                      Love T Bourlon's take on Ji Yeon. (And at the very least, she'll want to know what happened to her parents, and go looking for the answer.)

                                                                                      And - Rousseau looked GORGEOUS!

                                                                                      • 9 votes
                                                                                      #6.2 - Tue May 18, 2010 11:44 PM EDT
                                                                                      pinkcap

                                                                                      Miles: "What's that...a secreter room?" LOL

                                                                                      Herbcules - I didn't catch that line during the show. Thanks for including it in your post - it is funny. I agree with you about Jack. He was one of my favorites in the beginning, but then he became annoying. He started to improve when he returned to the island and is now one of my favorites again. It is ironic that the person who desperately wanted to get off the island is now going to stay there indefinitely.

                                                                                      • 3 votes
                                                                                      #6.3 - Tue May 18, 2010 11:52 PM EDT
                                                                                      dcotts42

                                                                                      Ben had my hopes up. I knew in the back of the secret closet there was a thing to summon smokie. So when Ben and Flocke were on the porch and Ben said they are hiding in my closet I thought they set up some kind of trap to catch smokie. I was dissapointed when they opened the door and Widmore and Zoe were just standing there. I thought why else would Widmore be in the house in the first place.

                                                                                      • 2 votes
                                                                                      #6.4 - Wed May 19, 2010 8:55 AM EDT
                                                                                      Lost in Space and Time 316

                                                                                      Herb - I did take the day off. I thought about coming up with some excuse so my boss would approve the day, but I came clean that I planned on being up really late on Sunday to watch the finale, she just laughed and o.k.'d the vacation day.

                                                                                      • 1 vote
                                                                                      #6.5 - Wed May 19, 2010 9:31 AM EDT
                                                                                      robinm85

                                                                                      I thought it was against the rules for Ben and Widmore to kill each other? So how did Ben manage to kill Widmore (I know he shot him, but you all saw that episode, too, where they talked about "The Rules)

                                                                                      • 6 votes
                                                                                      #6.6 - Wed May 19, 2010 9:37 AM EDT
                                                                                      Lori-1673701

                                                                                      Yeah, well what about Jin and Sun? THEY had a child too, why weren't THEY eliminated?

                                                                                      Deborah - not sure but was Jacob already killed when Sun had Ji Yeon? Maybe he did not know the baby was born yet? Although I am sure he must of known she was pregnant prior to leaving the island... who knows???

                                                                                        #6.7 - Wed May 19, 2010 10:14 AM EDT
                                                                                        kcjhawk

                                                                                        I think that when Widmore broke the rules by killing Alex, Ben stopped following the rules. Also, there have been so many changes, he doesn't know who was giving him orders all those years (Jacob or MIB) and the end seems to be fast approaching, so he might have just said, "the heck with the rules." Besides, once you kill Jacob it seems like all bets would be off for you.

                                                                                        • 3 votes
                                                                                        #6.8 - Wed May 19, 2010 10:17 AM EDT
                                                                                        robinm85

                                                                                        kc, thanks. That makes sense.

                                                                                          #6.9 - Wed May 19, 2010 11:59 AM EDT
                                                                                          Texas21

                                                                                          Herb - I confirmed with my boss I am coming in late and there is no issue with it - whew - lol.

                                                                                            #6.10 - Wed May 19, 2010 1:00 PM EDT
                                                                                            NCL70506

                                                                                            Herb - I agree with a BIG CHEERS to JACK for immediately volunteering to take over as Protector. I have faith in him.

                                                                                            Dcotts42 - I also thought that Ben and Widmore had set some kind of trap for Smokey in the secret closet area. It was a bit of a buzz kill to find out that Widmore and Zoe were really just hiding in there!! I guess they did not have enough time to form a plan, since Zoe came running in saying Smokey was out there. . . After everything that has happened between the two of them, why Widmore trusted Ben to keep him hidden in the closet and not reveal his hiding place to Smokey is beyond me. That was frankly dumb of Widmore, and now he is dead. Widmore did get in one last jab at Ben, though, when he said he already planted explosives on the airplane, and is three steps ahead of Ben as usual. Ouch!

                                                                                            Lost in Space and Time - It sounds like you have a great boss!

                                                                                              #6.11 - Wed May 19, 2010 5:11 PM EDT
                                                                                              Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute

                                                                                              Deborah - not sure but was Jacob already killed when Sun had Ji Yeon? Maybe he did not know the baby was born yet? Although I am sure he must of known she was pregnant prior to leaving the island... who knows???

                                                                                              Lori, Jacob definitely wasn't killed til after Ji Yeon was born, since he was killed after Sun had already given birth then came back to the island Ajira style. However, I'm not putting much weight on the lighthouse names anymore after this episode - seems like Jack's won the candidate lottery, for what it's worth.

                                                                                                #6.12 - Fri May 21, 2010 1:44 AM EDT
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                                                                                                Anon Emous

                                                                                                On the other hand, I hated (hated hated) Ben's turnaround. It was like the writers smacking us in the face. Hey, remember that amazing episode where Ben finally redeemed himself? Yeah, never mind.

                                                                                                Easy there, maybe Ben's playing Nemesis... maybe GOOD Ben will out. After all, look at the scenes where Locke and Ben were discussing hit and run Des's intentions...

                                                                                                In the end, SideLOCKE decided he "likes the feeling of the ground under his feet (, to remind him that he was human)

                                                                                                Also in sideways land, when DEStiny and Ben collide (more like the former's fists collide w/ the latter's face [poor Ben! This seems to be his 'Constant' - on and off island] ... he ultimately REMEMBERS things from island life.

                                                                                                • 1 vote
                                                                                                Reply#7 - Tue May 18, 2010 10:59 PM EDT
                                                                                                NCL70506

                                                                                                Yes, I noticed that comment by Nemesis about walking and feeling the ground under his feet reminds him that he was once human - that just aggravated me. Nemesis/Smokey was never human - he/it is some supernatural force that takes on the memories of people that it consumes. (As far as I understand it.) He/it is just so evil and knows he was actually never human, so I wish he would quit referring to himself as human!

                                                                                                I love that Ben remembered the Island life as Desmond was punching him! Payback is a b**ch!

                                                                                                  #7.1 - Wed May 19, 2010 1:41 AM EDT
                                                                                                  kcjhawk

                                                                                                  But from what we saw last week, neither Nemesis or Jacob was evil. They were forced into the roles they have now. When Nemesis was born to Claudia he was human. It was "Mother" who did all the fiddling with both boys to make them super human (or beyond human--not exactly sure what would describe them).

                                                                                                    #7.2 - Wed May 19, 2010 10:20 AM EDT
                                                                                                    NCL70506

                                                                                                    Hi kcjhawk! - I agree that Jacob and Brother were human at one time and neither one was evil, although Brother stabbing his mother in the back was bad, but he had his reasons. We all seemed to agree in last week's post that Brother the person is dead and laying next to his Mother in the cave, but his memories and thoughts were passed on to the Smoke Monster . . . . So, I was trying to refer to the "Smoke Monster" as a separate entity, a supernatural force that was created from this "light", not by the procreation of man and woman. The Smoke Monster has been called "evil incarnate" and that is why it must not leave the Island. So, this is why I get aggravated when it claims to have been human - it was never human, it only consumed human memories.

                                                                                                    • 2 votes
                                                                                                    #7.3 - Wed May 19, 2010 1:10 PM EDT
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                                                                                                    T Bourlon
                                                                                                  • Why did knowing not to talk to Nemesis make Zoe "pointless"?
                                                                                                  • She knew what Widmore's plan was, but if she wouldn't tell him then he might as well kill her. He's killed everyone else.

                                                                                                  • How is Desmond a fail-safe for the candidates?
                                                                                                  • That I don't know, but something to do with his immunity to the electro-magnatism.

                                                                                                  • Why can Jack now locate the Island's heart, when he couldn't before?
                                                                                                  • Because he drank Jacob's Kool-Aid? That must pass on all knowledge to the next protector.

                                                                                                  • What is Desmond's plan for gathering the (sideways) Losties?
                                                                                                  • Obviously he wants to get all of them together, perhaps that will trigger a massive memory that will change everything, merge the two realities, or whatever.

                                                                                                  • How does Nemesis plan to use Desmond to destroy the Island?
                                                                                                  • He must think the EM fields could wipe out "the light at the end of the tunnel." I think a bigger question is, why does he suddenly WANT to destroy the Island? Is it because there's a new protector? Or is it because the Island is really the thing holding him, the "cork" in the bottle? Always more questions than answers, but we know for sure that Jack is "the one." I was also afraid that Sawyer would take a hit for the team, and he may still. And Hurley saying "I'm glad it's not me," like he KNOWS something? And is Ben REALLY on team Nemesis? Somehow I don't think so, but who's the best con artist right now? And is Richard finally gone? What about Miles? Where's Des? And what am I gonna do after Sunday? Suffer from post Lost finale disorder, I guess!

                                                                                                    • 1 vote
                                                                                                    Reply#8 - Tue May 18, 2010 11:04 PM EDT
                                                                                                    Deborah SG

                                                                                                    And what am I gonna do after Sunday? Suffer from post Lost finale disorder, I guess!

                                                                                                    I went through this with the other great shows of the decade - The Sopranos; Six Feet Under (nice, tight ending that entirely made sense); Deadwood (which didn't end, no thanks to John in Cincinnati); Rome (no thanks to HBO's budget). It was tough. But Lost being my favorite of the greats, I think I'll be suffering some heavy separation anxiety!

                                                                                                    My daughter was 7 when Lost began. Now she is almost a teen. In the early Lost years, she was too tired to stay up for it. Now we watch it together, and she picks up things I miss.

                                                                                                    I think, of the shows that aired in my lifetime, only a handful make the grade for me. Or, maybe I can count them on 10 fingers. Just as I look back on St. Elsewhere and Hill Street Blues, I know I will be reflecting on Lost in the decades to come.

                                                                                                    However, I still have a bee in my bonnet about not knowing Ilana's identity! ;) Also, that Jacob and MIB never had romances of their own. IIRC, semi-divinities get to have adult lives, too.

                                                                                                    Why can Jack now locate the Island's heart, when he couldn't before?

                                                                                                    Because he drank Jacob's Kool-Aid? That must pass on all knowledge to the next protector.

                                                                                                    Is this the same water that did that weird stuff to Sayid?

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                                                                                                    #8.1 - Tue May 18, 2010 11:54 PM EDT
                                                                                                    LightOwl8

                                                                                                    Speaking of shows that make the grade, I agree with both of you, T Bourlon and Deborah SG. Lost is in a class by itself. I have had other favorite shows - let's say less than 10 fingers' worth - but have probably been most intensely involved with this one. So I get a little amused when I hear other shows described as "the next LOST". Ha! I watch LOST for this particular combination of characters and plot and mystery and really really detailed backstory, not for some spooky timewarp formula. There are enough repetitive programs on TV already, that I don't want to pick one just to fill a similar timeslot. Besides, after Sunday I might be kind of tired and want to rest for a while!

                                                                                                    I enjoyed the Kool-Aid ritual. It looked very much like a consecration. The cup being passed and received, drinking from it as an acceptance of a new role and transfer of power - very symbolic, like the passing of a torch, or a crown, or a burden. Maybe it's not even the drink that's important, but the act of choosing to accept it.

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                                                                                                    #8.2 - Wed May 19, 2010 1:09 AM EDT
                                                                                                    evilgenius

                                                                                                    Is this the same water that did that weird stuff to Sayid?

                                                                                                    The water isn't important; it is the (magic) words and the (choice) drinking it that are important. My question would be - Is the magic transferring knowledge into the water and the drinking transferring the knowledge into the recipient?

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                                                                                                    #8.3 - Wed May 19, 2010 8:51 AM EDT
                                                                                                    T Bourlon

                                                                                                    "The water isn't important; it is the (magic) words and the (choice) drinking it that are important."

                                                                                                    That makes sense, since MIB broke the wine bottle - they didn't have the same liquid, unless the wine was made from the same water, oh, never mind! Part of the fun is using 5th & 6th level logic on such tiny details. Perhaps we can obsess about all those little questions that WON'T be answered Sunday. As for me, I'll be camping out in front of the tv from 6-10:30pm. Kimmel is on too late, thank God for DVR's!

                                                                                                    • 1 vote
                                                                                                    #8.4 - Wed May 19, 2010 11:14 AM EDT
                                                                                                    JohnBoy813

                                                                                                    I think that the drink is more symbolic than anything else. That is unless the incantation that Jacob said 'transfers' the water. But I think that saying the incantation and then accepting the drink is what causes the tranfer of power.

                                                                                                      #8.5 - Wed May 19, 2010 11:23 AM EDT
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                                                                                                      Anon Emous

                                                                                                      Prob should clarify above comment that i think something connected between SideLOCKE's readiness to be out of the chair and Nameless Nemesis's like of the feel of the ground under his feet

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                                                                                                      Reply#9 - Tue May 18, 2010 11:05 PM EDT
                                                                                                      BlackRock Steve

                                                                                                      Namaste, All my Friends....after almost a 2 week absence, I managed to overcome the fickled finger of fate and get back here finally!! As evil fate would have it, I missed watching last week's episode "live" and then watched it twice on the weekend! Spent the last 2 evenings getting caught up on all the great articles that my friends have written, and last week's blog!

                                                                                                      Why did knowing not to talk to Nemesis make Zoe "pointless"?

                                                                                                      If not talking, then she's 'pointless' as in no value to Nemey since you can't be manipulated or more importantly make a 'pact with the devil' and trade your soul for whatever.

                                                                                                      How is Desmond a fail-safe for the candidates?

                                                                                                      Mr. super-hero Electro-Magnetic Manis immune to the EM and thus is the perfect "detonating device" for the EM pockets and would trigger such a huge EM release/event that it will in turn cause the island volcano to erupt, which will rock the island off it's axis and it will be destroyed and sink!

                                                                                                      Why can Jack now locate the Island's heart, when he couldn't before?

                                                                                                      The classic "passing of the torch" from the old Protector to the new...now that Jack repeated the "wine ritual" that Mommy Dearest" did with Jacob, then as Mommy said and now Jacob to Jack: "Now You're just like me"...as in the knowledge of the island protector is passed on.

                                                                                                      What is Desmond's plan for gathering the (sideways) Losties?

                                                                                                      The big Concert...all will be there and since it is young classical musicians, I'm sure that means that Daniel Faraday and his Mom, Eloise will be there too!!!

                                                                                                      How does Nemesis plan to use Desmond to destroy the Island?

                                                                                                      See above, I'm sure that Nemy is planning to "do onto Des what Jacob did to me"...throw him down the stream into the light/EM!

                                                                                                      Cheers:

                                                                                                      • Fairly well-written and well-paced show (especially after last week's slow pace)
                                                                                                      • Jacob FINALLY talks!
                                                                                                      • Sorry Charlie, GOOD-Bye!!!!
                                                                                                      • BEN becoming the con-man to gain the trust of Nemy!

                                                                                                      Jeers:

                                                                                                      • Jacob FINALLY talks!....Smug as ever.
                                                                                                      • After 6 seasons, Richard deserved a far better death!!!!!!!
                                                                                                      • 7 votes
                                                                                                      Reply#10 - Tue May 18, 2010 11:12 PM EDT
                                                                                                      pinkcap

                                                                                                      Welcome back friend! I always look forward to your comments.

                                                                                                      I have to agree with you about Richard - he did deserve a better death scene than that one. At least he went out trying to help. I'm sure he's redeemed his soul and hopefully is with Isablella.

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                                                                                                      #10.1 - Tue May 18, 2010 11:36 PM EDT
                                                                                                      Deborah SG

                                                                                                      Jeers:

                                                                                                      • Jacob FINALLY talks!....Smug as ever.
                                                                                                      • After 6 seasons, Richard deserved a far better death!!!!!!!
                                                                                                      • -----

                                                                                                      And Jack - as pouty as ever! Even on one of this morning's talk shows, Matthew Fox was pouty!

                                                                                                      How unfair to treat Richard Alpert this way. It seems that except for that interlude with his beloved Isabella, he never had a chance to have a charmed life of his own.

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                                                                                                      #10.2 - Tue May 18, 2010 11:57 PM EDT
                                                                                                      blackwidow1

                                                                                                      Aloha and namaste!

                                                                                                      I'm holding my breath that Richard's still alive. Maybe I just need a good shaking and a "There is no more Sayid" moment! I'm hoping that he's just dazed and confused and we'll see him on Sunday.

                                                                                                      Jacob FINALLY talks!....Smug as ever.

                                                                                                      I forgot to mention this as a thought in my post below. Not only does he talk but he's seen! Found it interesting that the candidates finally got to see the "man behind the curtain" ... his ashes burning in the fire is what made this possible ... sounds kinda trippy to me LOL ... all we needed is some lava lamps! Reminded me of a peyote-induced, shamanlike ritual, similar to what we saw in earlier seasons with Locke in the smoke lodge and the goop Locke rubbed on Boone to help him "see"

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                                                                                                      #10.3 - Wed May 19, 2010 12:14 AM EDT
                                                                                                      BlackRock Steve

                                                                                                      Hi bw1!!

                                                                                                      Most definitely agree with you on the Jacob ashes in the fire as the reason why the Losties could finally see him, I was thinking the same thing...BUT, be careful, not so fast with the "man behind the curtain" label...there's still 2 1/2 hrs. to go!! I JUST LOVED and went LMAO on your:

                                                                                                      ... all we needed is some lava lamps! Reminded me of a peyote-induced, shamanlike ritual, similar to what we saw in earlier seasons with Locke in the smoke lodge and the goop Locke rubbed on Boone to help him "see"

                                                                                                      Yest another connection back to prior season, and for me...been there done that, complete with the lava lamps a lifetime ago!

                                                                                                        #10.4 - Wed May 19, 2010 12:51 AM EDT
                                                                                                        BlackRock Steve

                                                                                                        Calling kcjhawk, where are you? kc, I was most distressed to read last night that you were back in the hospital last week. I just knew I should have headed south the last time and rescued you from either the infection or acute case of Lostitis...(we're ALL going to have it come Sunday night) then again, I am still not convinced that this is not a C & L conspiracy against us and it's no doubt from watching lost...I'm telling you they're playing with us....there's a hidden subliminal message behind the scenes that they're beaming into our brains!!! Be careful out there. I sure hope you're better. BTW, you type better with an IV in your hand than I do without one!

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                                                                                                        #10.5 - Wed May 19, 2010 1:06 AM EDT
                                                                                                        OnlyChild

                                                                                                        Did Richard lose his immortality at the moment Jack drank the brew? That must have been a surprise. Is that when Ben realized that rules were off and he could kill Widmore? Was that revenge or did he really want to shut him up? And you have to admire Miles' survival instincts. Don't know if that walkie talkie will help or hurt.

                                                                                                        Really glad Miles mentioned that they were in Dharma land just last week. He might have been exaggerating, but I figured it was a couple of weeks, three at the most. A lot happened - make a list.

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                                                                                                        #10.6 - Wed May 19, 2010 3:58 AM EDT
                                                                                                        kcjhawk

                                                                                                        Hey BRS--I'm back out! Wondered where you were and glad to see you are back--with your usual good points.

                                                                                                        I am not certain Richard is dead--being immortal and all. However, he could have lost that when Jacob died and he just happened to be with Jack when something that could have killed him happened (the dynamite) and being with Jack protected him. So, he may have been mortal again all this time. Hope not, just like I hope that Frank the pilot is lurking somewhere, too. It made me mad that when Kate was all upset with the deaths she didn't even give a nod to the man who got her off the island.

                                                                                                          #10.7 - Wed May 19, 2010 10:28 AM EDT
                                                                                                          JohnBoy813

                                                                                                          Perhaps the 'deal' that Richard had with Jacob was something along the lines of "As long as I live you live". And kcjhawk, what do you expect from Kate? Kate really only cares about herself.

                                                                                                            #10.8 - Wed May 19, 2010 11:30 AM EDT
                                                                                                            kcjhawk

                                                                                                            yeah, I bet she is scheming now that Jack is the new Jacob. I think she had "decided" on him. Here comes the full on attack on Sawyer for his affections. . .

                                                                                                              #10.9 - Wed May 19, 2010 12:59 PM EDT
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                                                                                                              LockeanMan1

                                                                                                              Why did knowing not to talk to Nemesis make Zoe "pointless"?

                                                                                                              I guess this was yet another writer joke for killing her off unmercifully, a-la Frogurt with a flaming arrow after bugging Bernard about fire & Patchy/Mikhail getting shot in the eye in Sideways World. Which is why the writers on LOST truly rock.

                                                                                                              How is Desmond a fail-safe for the candidates?

                                                                                                              Perhaps that sinking the Island with MIB on it will kill him if he's still unable to leave. Getting him wet seemed to be a bad thing so maybe the thought is the Sideways World's sunken Island is the desired state.

                                                                                                              Why can Jack now locate the Island's heart, when he couldn't before?

                                                                                                              Only the Protector can locate the Island's heart, kind of like God permanently hiding/banishing the Garden of Eden from Adam & Eve.

                                                                                                              What is Desmond's plan for gathering the (sideways) Losties?

                                                                                                              Get them all together in a single place and then have some sort of huge explosion to unify the two timelines.

                                                                                                              How does Nemesis plan to use Desmond to destroy the Island?

                                                                                                              Throw him into the river to the heart of the Island or make him turn the Orchid donkey wheel to have him interact with the Island's EM energy & explode it.

                                                                                                              In case anyone's wondering, I'm still holding out hope that Good Locke will rise again to defeat MIB/FLocke/Esau. But the more I think about it, I think it may be Desmond (as some have suggested, most notably BRS) who was "lying in the shadow of the statue" and will end up saving "us all" by possibly sinking the Island with MIB on it.

                                                                                                              I hope I'm not right though. I would much rather it be that Desmond interacts with the EM energy and this brings Good Locke back to life or expels Smokey/Esau from the Locke clone. One way I could see this occurring would be if Jack is operating on Locke in Sideways World & he goes into cardiac arrest or something. Then they use the paddles on Locke simultaneously with an EM event with Desmond occurring on the Island. Then Locke being alive on the Island kills Smokey/Esau because Smokey is trapped in a body that all of a sudden is now alive again.

                                                                                                              The inner turmoil continues within me...I can't wait for Sunday night, but yet I dread it too. One thing's for certain - the writers, characters, & this board are second to NONE. I've thoroughly enjoyed every single bit of the ride! And onward we go for now!

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                                                                                                              Reply#11 - Tue May 18, 2010 11:12 PM EDT
                                                                                                              Tommy Boy

                                                                                                              Lockean - do you almost think that the writers KNEW that she sucked, and that the audience would hate her, but that they needed her character to move the plot along, so they rewarded us by killing her off in such a fashion? I mean, she hasn'r really been around long enough that the writers could have reacted to negative feedback from the viewers, right?

                                                                                                                #11.1 - Wed May 19, 2010 2:16 PM EDT
                                                                                                                LockeanMan1

                                                                                                                I think the writers may very well read this board because I've heard & seen dialog that seemed way too similar to the threads on this post, and I think all of us recognize the depth & analysis that this board's posts have had from week to week. With that, I think it's very possible that they saw the negative feedback & thought they'd off her in a way that would be satifying to the die-hard fans (pun intended). I mean, there are several other various eople who have just disappeared and we have no explanation of where they are or what they're doing (the other MIB/Esau followers who were following him from the temple thru the jungle, for example). But then again, maybe not.

                                                                                                                But I like to think they're watching & reading this board. That's one of the reasons I decided to join in the fray & post myself this season rather than just follow along by reading as I've done in past seasons.

                                                                                                                  #11.2 - Wed May 19, 2010 5:45 PM EDT
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                                                                                                                  pinkcap

                                                                                                                  This was a great episode. We actually got some answers. We know who rigged the plane - Widmore, but how did the MIB know this? We know that Widmore was working for Jacob. It was something I had believed all along, so I was happy to have that confirmed. We also know who the replacement is - Jack.

                                                                                                                  He also explained why Kate's name was crossed off in the cave and not the Lighthouse - she was eliminated when she became a mother, but she was still an option if she wanted the role.

                                                                                                                  I love that Jacob gave the candidates the choice. I wonder if that was one of the rules Jacob instituted when he was given the power. He never had a choice, so he wanted to make sure everyone brought to the island had a choice. He said to them that they had bad lives and were looking for something, which is true, but when we look at the sideways world, their lives look fairly happy, but obviously something is missing in that life or they wouldn't be trying to get back their memories. I said last week that the light was love. The only thing missing for the survivors in the sideways world is love and that's why Desmond, Hurley, and Charlie want to connect with their island lives. If the island sank, the love would go down with it.

                                                                                                                  Jacob realizes that he caused the unleashing of the smoke monster. In greek mythology, the god Heracles defeated the three headed monster, Cerberus and sent him back to the underworld. The Dharma Initiative called the smoke monster Cerberus. Is that what Jack has to do - kill the smoke monster or send him back to where he came from? Is that why he needs Desmond? If Jack can't find a way to get him to return to the bottom of the waterfall without going down himself, will Desmond have to do the job?

                                                                                                                  I thought the scene of Jacob blessing the water and giving it to Jack was very much like the Last Supper. It also had overtones of the wedding at Canaan, when Jesus turned the water into wine. I felt like I was in church.

                                                                                                                  Why did knowing not to talk to Nemesis make Zoe "pointless"? I can only guess that she was a follower and would obey Widmore. The Nemesis didn't really know anything about her, so he couldn't threaten her with anything and it showed Widmore and Ben that he meant business.

                                                                                                                  How is Desmond a fail-safe for the candidates? It's either one of two things - he is a candidate. I always thought he was #108 and I still think he is. His name was altered by Jacob so that the MIB wouldn't know who he was. Another reason could be what I mentioned before - the smoke monster has to be returned to the cave and Desmond could be the only one who could survive the trip down there.

                                                                                                                  Why can Jack now locate the Island's heart, when he couldn't before? His eyes have been opened. Jacob and his brother could never find it without the mother's help. Only the one in charge can see it, unless he chooses to reveal it to someone else. The lighthouse was like this - no one ever knew it was there until Jacob wanted Jack and Hurley to see it.

                                                                                                                  What is Desmond's plan for gathering the (sideways) Losties? Obviously, Desmond has remembered everything, or at least everything good about his island world life. Hurley has remembered everything too. I thought it interesting that Desmond said that Ana Lucia was not ready yet. It looks like he's going to get everyone to that concert. I wish I had a ticket to that event.

                                                                                                                  How does Nemesis plan to use Desmond to destroy the Island? Widmore wanted to know where all the pockets of EM are. He is somehow going to get Desmond to blow up those pockets and sink the island.

                                                                                                                  I loved Ben's line - "I was told I could summon the smoke monster, before I realized it was summoning me." I know it looks like Ben has turned back to the dark side, but I'm not so sure he did. Maybe I just want to believe that he truly does feel remorse for everything he has done. Could he be pretending to do the smoke monster's bidding so that he can ultimately defeat him in the end? Ben was always a master manipulator and liar. I think he killed Widmore out of revenge and to prevent him from giving away the plan. What better way to have the MIB believe you're on his side? Of course, with Ben, you never know, he could be manipulating me.

                                                                                                                  Loved the beginning of a romance between Danielle and Mr. Linus in the sideways. Danielle seemed so refined in this world - what a difference.

                                                                                                                  I do have one question - did Miles escape through the passage to summon the smoke monster?

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                                                                                                                  Reply#12 - Tue May 18, 2010 11:19 PM EDT
                                                                                                                  jograyghost

                                                                                                                  Loved the beginning of a romance between Danielle and Mr. Linus in the sideways. Danielle seemed so refined in this world - what a difference.

                                                                                                                  That's DR Linus. ;)

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                                                                                                                  #12.1 - Tue May 18, 2010 11:30 PM EDT
                                                                                                                  BlackRock Steve

                                                                                                                  I loved Ben's line - "I was told I could summon the smoke monster, before I realized it was summoning me."...

                                                                                                                  Hi Pinkcap...I not only loved that line...it was "classic Lost"...an answer and a clue...which is exactly why I believe Ben is running a con on dear Nemy...with that kind of insight, he doesn't just revert to old evil Ben. Yes, he got his revenge on Charles but was actually trying to STOP him from telling Nemy about Desmond and the failsafe, etc. Ben is manipulating Nem to stay alive long enough to stop him!

                                                                                                                  Yes, there were so many answers this week and much more direct than I expected, unlike last week when they were far more obtuse and deductive, which is the usual C & L and the classic "connect the dots" style of Lost.

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                                                                                                                  #12.2 - Tue May 18, 2010 11:43 PM EDT
                                                                                                                  Rebecca D

                                                                                                                  I have to say... my fav line of the night was from Miles:

                                                                                                                  "I lived in these houses 30 years before you did... otherwise known as last week". Made me crack up!

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                                                                                                                  #12.3 - Wed May 19, 2010 1:14 AM EDT
                                                                                                                  ctina1973

                                                                                                                  I totally agree about Ben, he shot Widmore to shut him up AND get revenge. I think he's going to be a major player in the downfall of UnLocke, ala Darth Vader and the Emperor.

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                                                                                                                  #12.4 - Wed May 19, 2010 3:23 AM EDT
                                                                                                                  parent-43973

                                                                                                                  I thought Ben was not allowed to kill Widmore. Suddenly he can? I don't buy the "now that the mantle has passed to Jack all bets are off" -- Ben didn't know that anything had happened to cause the rules to be suspended (if they are suspended). Unless "we can't kill each other" only meant "we're not supposed to kill each other" and they lived their lives with utmost self-restraint. Again, I'm not buying it.

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                                                                                                                  #12.5 - Wed May 19, 2010 8:41 AM EDT
                                                                                                                  formermormon

                                                                                                                  I think that Jacob's death could be the thing that made the difference. Ben knew that Jacob was dead. He's the one who killed him.

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                                                                                                                  #12.6 - Wed May 19, 2010 10:23 AM EDT
                                                                                                                  kcjhawk

                                                                                                                  I know we have strange day and night scenes on the island, but I think the Locke/Widmore stuff happened before Jacob passed the torch to Jack, so I don't think that applies to Ben's actions. I think it wasn't that it was impossible for Ben to kill Widmore, but just a rule. Widmore broke the rule by having Alex killed so Ben responded. I also think Ben knows it is nearing the end, and as I said above, if you have killed Jacob, probably all bets are off. Besides killing Widmore for revenge, I also think it really upset Ben that Widmore told him Jacob came to him off island and told him to come back with Desmond.

                                                                                                                    #12.7 - Wed May 19, 2010 10:39 AM EDT
                                                                                                                    pinkcap

                                                                                                                    jograyghost

                                                                                                                    That's DR Linus. ;)

                                                                                                                    You're right, mea culpa. :)

                                                                                                                    parent - It's not clear if they are literally not able to kill each other or if they must follow a set of rules. We've seen cases where people couldn't kill themselves, no matter how hard they tried, so there is a power that won't allow it. I don't know if it extends to killing someone else. I would have to say it could, based on smokey not being able to kill Jacob. He desperately wanted to get off the island, and he's not adverse to killing, so I have to think that at one point he attempted to kill Jacob and he failed. When he realized he couldn't do it, he started looking for loopholes. As for Ben and Widmore, we don't know if Jacob made it impossible for them to kill each other or if they're not supposed to. Whatever the case, I think Jacob's death voided both options.

                                                                                                                      #12.8 - Wed May 19, 2010 10:45 AM EDT
                                                                                                                      Anon Emous

                                                                                                                      Darn! Someone beat me to the punch (pun just realized and therefore intended) about 'That's DR. Linus, actually'

                                                                                                                        #12.9 - Wed May 19, 2010 11:02 AM EDT
                                                                                                                        T Bourlon

                                                                                                                        You know what's really stupid about the Nemesis/Linus team? First Nemesis tells Ben that after he leaves Ben can have the Island, then later he tells Ben he wants to use Desmond to destroy the Island! I mean, I'm sure he was lying to Ben when he said he could have the Island, but he pretty well admitted that was a lie at that particular moment. Does that mean he knows that Ben isn't really with him? We don't know exactly what Widmore said to Nemmy, he may have given him false info on his plan to use Desmond. Perhaps he just set Nemmy up, and Ben conveniently killed Widmore so that Nemmy couldn't get the REAL truth out of him. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking.

                                                                                                                        Anyway, assuming Miles is still alive AND has the walkie talkie, he now knows what the plan is, and hopefully can report to Jackob - okay, what else could I call him?

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                                                                                                                        #12.10 - Wed May 19, 2010 11:25 AM EDT
                                                                                                                        shanib

                                                                                                                        It is interesting that Charles was exiled from the island, spent years and lots of money trying to find it and only have the frieghter explored Jacob appeared to him. Sure Jacob may have been using him to get Des back to the island, but I don't know if I would say that Charles was really on Jacob's team. Charles gave Des up to Flocke pretty quickly. I think that Charles was on Charles' team, Ben and the island knew it. Maybe that is why the island allowed him to be killed. He got Des back and now was a liablity.

                                                                                                                          #12.11 - Wed May 19, 2010 12:11 PM EDT
                                                                                                                          kcjhawk

                                                                                                                          T Bourlon: Jackob--love it!

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                                                                                                                          #12.12 - Wed May 19, 2010 1:02 PM EDT
                                                                                                                          One Miscreant

                                                                                                                          T Bourlon: Jackob--love it!

                                                                                                                          Ditto!

                                                                                                                            #12.13 - Wed May 19, 2010 7:27 PM EDT
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                                                                                                                            jograyghost

                                                                                                                            I think Ben is sort of in shock after watching Richard get "Smoked" He was going to shoot Widemore anyway the first chance he got. I think he is biding his time until he figures how to get away/rid of Smokey. When Ben was talking to Ilana he said that he chose the Island over his daughter. Smokey doesn't know that. I don't think Ben cares about having the Island anymore. His expression didn't change when Smoke talked about blowing up the Island. Don't laugh but I am starting to wonder if they all aren't halves. That Desmond needs to get them all together to get them back together. Desmond was the funniest thing in this episode. He just seemed to enjoy pulling everyone into his loops. I couldn't believe it was Hurley pulling up. I hope Richard got back with his wife at last. I really hated that this was his death.

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                                                                                                                            Reply#13 - Tue May 18, 2010 11:24 PM EDT
                                                                                                                            kcjhawk

                                                                                                                            Desmond kind of reminded me of Willy Wonka

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                                                                                                                            #13.1 - Wed May 19, 2010 10:43 AM EDT
                                                                                                                            Texas21

                                                                                                                            Desmond's expressions and anticipation (or anticipatory behaviour - if that is a word) reminded me of Bill Murry in Groundhog day.

                                                                                                                              #13.2 - Wed May 19, 2010 1:14 PM EDT
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                                                                                                                              pinkcap

                                                                                                                              I forgot to add to my post that in the Pilot episode, Kate was the one who had to stitch up Jack's wound and in tonight's episode, it was a reversal - Jack stitched up Kate's wound.

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                                                                                                                              Reply#14 - Tue May 18, 2010 11:54 PM EDT
                                                                                                                              BlackRock Steve

                                                                                                                              I was thinking the same as I watched that scene...once again, as they have so often in almost every episode this season, the distinct connection back to Season 1.

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                                                                                                                              #14.1 - Wed May 19, 2010 12:54 AM EDT
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                                                                                                                              blackwidow1

                                                                                                                              Thoughts:

                                                                                                                              Did Widmore not know that the sub had already been sunk when he told Zoe to sink it? After the shootout in “The Candidate” I would have thought someone might have mentioned it to him. And why, since he is expecting the plane to be blown up (seeing that he rigged it with explosives when he got there) would he destroy the only other means off the island? Either he knows another way off or he’s not planning to ever leave again.

                                                                                                                              We saw the island at the bottom of the sea in “LAX.” It was obviously destroyed. But life and all the Losties DO exist in the sideways timeline. So, does this mean that destroying the island (the last thing we hear Locke say he wants to do), and therefore, putting out the “light” will not be as catastrophic as we’ve been lead to believe? Or does it mean something else entirely?

                                                                                                                              Desmond gathering everyone together to be at the concert – all the candidates together in the same place at the same time? This sounds very, very familiar.

                                                                                                                              Desmond saying “she’s not ready yet” … this has been said several times throughout the series – one example is when Eloise says it to Desmond in sideways land – “You’re not ready yet, Hume.” Now he’s the one saying it.

                                                                                                                              The Questions:

                                                                                                                              • Why did knowing not to talk to Nemesis make Zoe "pointless"?

                                                                                                                              If she wasn’t going to provide him with the answers to the question, she became expendable – pointless to his quest

                                                                                                                              • How is Desmond a fail-safe for the candidates?

                                                                                                                              Just like when he turned the key way back when the hatch exploded, the fail-safe is what you turn to when you have exhausted all other options. Since he can withstand high doses of EM and still “live” I will guess that he’s going to have to get awfully close to the light. Thought … even though Desmond still “lives” (meaning he’s not converted into a roaming smokey), he is most definitely affected by the experience and he seems awfully different, to put it mildly, in both timelines.

                                                                                                                              • Why can Jack now locate the Island's heart, when he couldn't before?

                                                                                                                              He’s achieved a higher consciousness and can now see secrets that have been hidden from those who are not “ready” … like he and Hurley were able to see the lighthouse when Jacob wanted them to. Another thought … apparently the protector of the island doesn’t need to hang out in front of the cave of light standing sentry. And apparently ol’ Smokey hasn’t been able to find it yet (remember MIB said he had looked over the entire island but didn’t find it) so its hidden from him also. I don’t really know where I’m going with this, but if there were no people on the island … then there would only be Jacob and Smokey … Jacob’s not going to tell where the light is and if Smokey can’t kill Jacob directly …then bringing people to the island seems to pose much more of a threat to both Jacob AND the light … so why would Jacob bring them in the first place? The island is hard to find (I don’t think people end up there by accident) so I don’t see why a candidate would be necessary in the first place. I’m probably just confusing myself.

                                                                                                                              • What is Desmond's plan for gathering the (sideways) Losties?

                                                                                                                              No clue. Its either going to be really bad for the sideways Losties or really good.

                                                                                                                              • How does Nemesis plan to use Desmond to destroy the Island?

                                                                                                                              Again … no clue. I’m sure it has to do with Desmond’s reaction to, or lack of reaction to, the EM. I’m sure I will be pleasantly surprised on Sunday.

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                                                                                                                              Reply#15 - Tue May 18, 2010 11:58 PM EDT
                                                                                                                              Inchiki

                                                                                                                              Really going to miss all of this.

                                                                                                                              Apparently Miles had left thru the secret passage or just a back window? But Widmore and Zoe didn't use the secret tunnel? Perhaps Jacob informed Widmore that he was going to die so he knew that neither the sub nor the plane was getting him back.

                                                                                                                              bringing people to the island seems to pose much more of a threat to both Jacob AND the light It is a greater threat but it is unavoidable. For one, the Island is hard to find but people do wash up on the shore every now and then. Case in point, Claudia and her people or even Mother. Point two, Jacob and Brother have entered this game and there would be no resolution to the game if noone ever came to the Island. That would mean an eternity for Jacob and MIB to glare at each other over an open fire. So given points one and two, you might as well bring to the Island the people you think best to help end the game in your favor.

                                                                                                                              Aloha.

                                                                                                                                #15.1 - Wed May 19, 2010 12:57 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                LightOwl8

                                                                                                                                I thought Widmore sent Zoe to sink the outrigger -- the boat they had used to row over from Hydra Island? This was the same kind of boat Flocke used, when he stepped out onto the pier and then stopped to look at their boat loaded with containers, before he continued up to the cabin.

                                                                                                                                But you're right, Widmore did seem to be burning his bridges behind him. Either he had another plan to get off the island (the sub? another EM event?) or he was planning on it being a one-way trip.

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                                                                                                                                #15.2 - Wed May 19, 2010 1:26 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                blackwidow1

                                                                                                                                LightOwl8,

                                                                                                                                You are so right ... it was the outrigger Widmore told Zoe to sink. Thanks for the correction.

                                                                                                                                  #15.3 - Wed May 19, 2010 2:31 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                  JohnBoy813

                                                                                                                                  Widemore knew about the donkey wheel, he could always use that to escape the island.

                                                                                                                                    #15.4 - Wed May 19, 2010 11:45 AM EDT
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                                                                                                                                    NCL70506

                                                                                                                                    Random thoughts and observations:

                                                                                                                                    Island World -

                                                                                                                                    Kate was a candidate after all and I am glad . . . . Jack is the one meant to be the Candidate, the Protector, he has what it takes and wants to do it . . . . Jacob was looking for people like himself (seemed likely after last week's episode revelations) and he wanted it to be their choice who would replace him . . . . Hurley screams when he sees young Jacob - funny . . . . Why was young Jacob there, then adult Jacob all of a sudden? Weird. Also weird to ask for your own ashes (only on Lost).

                                                                                                                                    Kate is ready to get revenge on UnLocke . . . . WHERE IS DESMOND? . . . . What part does Miles have left to play on the Island? . . . . Richard can’t go out like that - he deserves better! That was too fast. Is he no longer immortal? Does that deal end with Jacob’s replacement taking over? . . . . A sad scene with Sawyer, Kate, Hurley, and Jack looking at the items from the sub wash ashore. I teared up.

                                                                                                                                    DAMN BEN! I hope he is just pretending to be on UnLocke’s side to stay alive a little bit longer and to get helpful information. Ben knows he can’t trust him, especially now that UnLocke wants to destroy the Island, thereby taking back his promise to Ben that he could have the Island . . . . So much for “the rules” of Ben and Charles Widmore not being able to kill each other . . . . UnLocke slit Zoe’s throat! Bam, fast, no questioning her un-usefulness. Good riddance, hated her!

                                                                                                                                    Sawyer says “I killed them” regarding Jin and Sun. How nice of Jack to reassure him that it was UnLocke that ultimately killed them . . . . But how RUDE of Sawyer to say that Jack has a god complex. Jack was very, very nice to Sawyer with his reassurance that it was UnLocke's fault for the deaths. Jack did NOT have to be nice about that. Mad at Sawyer right now. At least Jack has the balls to take on the responsibility of Protector for who knows how long.

                                                                                                                                    I guess the ritual this time to become Protector is to drink the water gathered by Jacob . . . Jack can see the cave now that he is the Protector . . . . Not sorry to see Jacob leave, but I wonder what his "thing with numbers" was all about.

                                                                                                                                    Sideways World -

                                                                                                                                    Desmond was hauling ass all over the place in sideways world and I loved it! . . . . Hurley pulling up in his Hummer with the money - awesome . . . . Ana Lucia is a crooked cop! Doesn’t really surprise me . . . . John Locke is ready to let go. Does that mean anything for the Island UnLocke? . . . . Funny how Danielle Rousseau suggests kidnapping Ben if she has to, in order for him to join them for dinner. Role reversal! And she looked nice in a dress and her hair combed! . . . . Ben teared up at Danielle telling him that he is like a father to Alex.

                                                                                                                                    This episode was good. We got some answers, and now we have the big finale event to look forward to. I felt sad during the whole episode, though, knowing this show is coming to an end very soon.

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                                                                                                                                    Reply#16 - Wed May 19, 2010 12:15 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                    JohnBoy813

                                                                                                                                    Yes, but Sawyer knew he was being a jerk when Kate shot him that look after the 'God complex' comment. And Nem did promise Ben the island, but he did not say that the island would still be above water. You have to be very careful when you make deals with the devil/demons/genies etc. they have stiffer contracts than cell phone companies. :)

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                                                                                                                                    #16.1 - Wed May 19, 2010 12:02 PM EDT
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                                                                                                                                    Deborah SG

                                                                                                                                    Random thoughts:

                                                                                                                                    pinkcap wrote:

                                                                                                                                    I said last week that the light was love.

                                                                                                                                    Is that what the island is, too? Or is that to remain a mystery, just as mysteries exist in all religions? Why does MIB, craving another life, want to put out the love - indeed, the world - that he could have in that other life?

                                                                                                                                    I agree that the light is love, love as agape - and that this kind of love truly can't be attained by mere mortals and must be protected or else you really will have a war between God and Satan. In that perspective, I can buy the theory by other Losties that the light is akin to the Holy Grail (except there really is no one, definitive Percival character on this show; Percival's quest has been replace by a heroe's quest to protect the light).

                                                                                                                                    As for Jacob, after 2,000 years I'd be tired of the same old job as well, even as important as it is.

                                                                                                                                    I do hope, as others do, that Richard will be reunited with his Isabella. That, to me, is the grand mortal love story of Lost.

                                                                                                                                    Still ired from last week with the sloppiness of the costume design. Roman-era women would not have been wearing Classical Greek dress. However, "Mother" was adequately dress for an Germanic or Celtic Iron Age woman from the North.

                                                                                                                                    The Penelope aspect - once Penelope stops weaving and destroying her tapestry, Odysseus (Ulysses) comes home. MIB destroys "Mother's" tapestry, ending one story and beginning another.

                                                                                                                                    Was hoping that tapestry was going to be a clue to this show.

                                                                                                                                    It would be a travesty if at least one of these actors did not receive an Emmy for this season's work; the same with the writers.

                                                                                                                                    Lost gives me hope that TV is returning to a time when intelligent viewers would sit down and enjoy the tube. But I also think the show owes a debt to the great 19th century Russian writers. Whidmore as Uncle Vanya, anyone?

                                                                                                                                    I'm going to go over to Disserations International, and, just out of curiosity, see what the first doctoral thesis on this show was about. Surely a grad student or 10 has already written about it.

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                                                                                                                                    Reply#17 - Wed May 19, 2010 12:17 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                    Stevyn108

                                                                                                                                    How can Richard truly die if he was blessed with Jacob's immortal touch?

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                                                                                                                                    Reply#18 - Wed May 19, 2010 12:17 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                    NCL70506

                                                                                                                                    I wondered about this also and posted a similar question above. All we saw was the Smoke Monster throwing Richard. We did not see a bloody, dead Richard. So I really, really hope that he is still alive, and we will see him again. The only thing that concerns me is that Jacob is the one who gave him eternal life. Now that Jacob is "dead" and no longer the Protector of the Island, I am not sure if Jacob's decisions carry over when a new Protector takes over, as Jack did tonight.

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                                                                                                                                    #18.1 - Wed May 19, 2010 3:37 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                    pinkcap

                                                                                                                                    Richard was given the gift of not dying and never being able to kill himself. There was one loophole to that - someone could kill him. Remember he asked Jack to kill him with the dynamite in the Black Rock? Jacob had immortality and the smoke monster couldn't kill him, but Ben was able to. Those pesky little loopholes will get you every time.

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                                                                                                                                    #18.2 - Wed May 19, 2010 9:29 AM EDT
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                                                                                                                                    Deborah SG

                                                                                                                                    Steve,

                                                                                                                                    An early thank you for hosting the board these years, with your intelligent theories. I have learned so much about character development and plot structure through you and your friends here.

                                                                                                                                    I'm sure I will be too busy crying my eyes to post Sunday night (at the wrap of Six Feet Under, I was grieving for the characters), so I want to thank you know. You have done a fabulous job. I hope this blog leads to a regular gig as a TV critic for a major newspaper or magazine for you. You have the critical jobs.

                                                                                                                                    Thus, I raise a toast to Steve and his posters. Thanks for the memories. I wouldn't have missed any of your comments for all the world.

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                                                                                                                                    #19 - Wed May 19, 2010 12:20 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                    BlackRock Steve

                                                                                                                                    And I second your toast and thanks to Steve, and to you and all the great posters here!!

                                                                                                                                    May long live LITV!!!

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                                                                                                                                    #19.1 - Wed May 19, 2010 12:37 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                    Rebecca D

                                                                                                                                    I agree... I haven't had time to contribute much this season, but this board has made a HUGE impact on my enjoyment of the show. Your time and dedication have been awesome!

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                                                                                                                                    #19.2 - Wed May 19, 2010 1:19 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                    Herbcules74

                                                                                                                                    I also agree......This board has helped to enhance my lost experience. Steve has done a great job bringing us all together to discuss this excellent show. I for one will miss this board and all of my fellow posters as much as I will miss the show. When are we all going to start an online book club.....lol

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                                                                                                                                    #19.3 - Wed May 19, 2010 8:24 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                    Kylemmie

                                                                                                                                    *Raises Glass - hear, hear!! - Thank you Steve for your hard work and leadership. Thank you to all the members of this outstanding community.

                                                                                                                                    I'm a bookworm and if (a few years ago) someone had told me I'd find a Internet Forum Group that rivaled the best of the Book Club's that I've participated in, I would have scoffed....Loudly. And been dead wrong. I'd put this group and our convo's up against any 'Real World' debate around a coffee table about a book.

                                                                                                                                    I FULLY expect to be notified if you guys group up to discuss another great work of art!

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                                                                                                                                    #19.4 - Wed May 19, 2010 10:53 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                    kcjhawk

                                                                                                                                    Muchos kudos, Steve! Thanks a million!

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                                                                                                                                    #19.5 - Wed May 19, 2010 11:34 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                    JohnBoy813

                                                                                                                                    Steve,

                                                                                                                                    Much appreciation for having this forum, it has caused me to see things in the show that I had missed and completely enhanced my LOST experience.

                                                                                                                                    Thanks again!

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                                                                                                                                    #19.6 - Wed May 19, 2010 12:07 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                    The.Good.Foot

                                                                                                                                    I agree!! Steve I too hope this leads to a great career for you! I have had an absolute blast on this and am dreading the end of this show. The fellow posters on this site are a top notch bunch!

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                                                                                                                                    #19.7 - Wed May 19, 2010 12:31 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                    E984

                                                                                                                                    Snaps to Steve! This board always gets me thinking about the show in a new way and today provided many helpful insights and ideas as well. I can't imagine having this for any other show since no others are half as complicated or enjoyable!!

                                                                                                                                    How much do we think the complete series will be on DVD? Like $200?! worth it!

                                                                                                                                    Namaste all!

                                                                                                                                      #19.8 - Wed May 19, 2010 2:19 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                      bellakins

                                                                                                                                      Thanks so much Steve and all the LitV family! Don't know what i will do when this ends i might have to *cringe* actually work while i am punched in :(

                                                                                                                                        #19.9 - Wed May 19, 2010 3:47 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                        scrambledeggs

                                                                                                                                        yes, thanks steve!! just toasted and drank your glass too

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                                                                                                                                        #19.10 - Wed May 19, 2010 5:13 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                        pinkcap

                                                                                                                                        Thanks Steve and everyone on this site. After each episode ends on Tuesday night, I look forward to coming here and discussing the episodes. Steve, I love the questions. Sometimes the questions are easy to answer and other times, I have to think about them and that's why I love them. It makes me look at the show in a different way. Reading a viewpoint that differs from mine, helps me to see a different perspective. Reading a viewpoint similar to mine lets me know that I may not be crazy after all. All these things combined with the knowledge the posters on this site posess and share so generously, has increased my enjoyment of the show.

                                                                                                                                          #19.11 - Wed May 19, 2010 5:24 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                          OnlyChild

                                                                                                                                          Thank you Steve. Most of all, this has been fun. I needed that.

                                                                                                                                            #19.12 - Wed May 19, 2010 5:25 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                            Jekazu

                                                                                                                                            Thank you Steve! All your hard work is greatly appreciated. I have spent most of my Wednesdays and Thursdays at work reading this board, in between my job duties of course, and love all the different points of view and discussions about each episode.

                                                                                                                                              #19.13 - Thu May 20, 2010 9:56 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                              Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute

                                                                                                                                              Yay Steve!

                                                                                                                                                #19.14 - Sat May 22, 2010 12:03 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                                Texas21

                                                                                                                                                Steve, really appreciate your and everyone on this board's comments, points of views and research/experiences. I have learned so much and been introduced to ideas, thoughts, and several scientific theories I had not pursued further knowledge of in the past or didn't have any knowledge about.

                                                                                                                                                Just a really super experience as I have NEVER written back to anything other than a personal email or work related email (and I may be the only person who still writes old fashioned letters and sends postcards with more than one line b/c an email just doesn't look good on the fridge) - so this is/was a very new experience for me.

                                                                                                                                                Thank you for that.

                                                                                                                                                  #19.15 - Sat May 22, 2010 3:06 PM EDT
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                                                                                                                                                  Xnex

                                                                                                                                                  To the people who have complained that Richard deserved a better ending than he got, I have to say, I still think Jacob's promise to Richard will hold and Richard cannot die. I think he will still live forever, but I could be wrong. I was wrong once.

                                                                                                                                                  I actually found myself happy with the way this episode addressed some issues in a straight ofrward manner. I don't believe we will ever get all of the answers we seek, but I think there's a decent chance we will get much more than I thought we would after last weeks episode.

                                                                                                                                                  I agree with whomever posted it earlier and I wish I knew more about the relationship between Jacob and Illana.

                                                                                                                                                  I still want to know why Smokie was forced to play by Jacobs rules, as well as how was Jacob able to keep Smokie there against his will. If I missed that, please someone enlighten me. Is the light actually a prison of sorts, and it is what holds MIB on the island? Does Flocke believe that if he destroys the island he will be set free, or does he simply want the "game to end" if he is not successful in breaking free?

                                                                                                                                                  Also I still hold out hope that Ben is actually going to be successful where Sawyer was not, and he will actually pull off a long con on Flocke.

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                                                                                                                                                  Reply#20 - Wed May 19, 2010 12:42 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                                  Inchiki

                                                                                                                                                  Here's hoping that Richard is alive. Jacob's touch and promise may fade with Jacob or when a new Protector is selected. Smoke charged Richard in late afternoon as it was still light but the passing of the torch occured at night, so Richard would still have protection before these possible triggers.

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                                                                                                                                                  #20.1 - Wed May 19, 2010 1:03 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                                  parent-43973

                                                                                                                                                  Regardless of the poetry (or lack thereof) of Richard's death, don't forget that Richard desperately wanted to die. His death is therefore a good thing for him. (Imagine if he wasn't killed; after Jacob is gone, after the Island is gone, after Smokey is gone, after whatever the writers have conjured up to end the series, poor Richard is still moping around in his eyeliner because he can't die.)

                                                                                                                                                    #20.2 - Wed May 19, 2010 8:52 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                                    JohnBoy813

                                                                                                                                                    And if Richard is not dead, is he going to become the advisor to Jack?

                                                                                                                                                      #20.3 - Wed May 19, 2010 12:09 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                                      kcjhawk

                                                                                                                                                      I think that when Hurley said he was glad it wasn't him (that had to protect the island), it was foreshadowing that he will have some important role. Because of his special gifts, I could definitely see him be a Richard-like advisor.

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                                                                                                                                                      #20.4 - Wed May 19, 2010 1:08 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                                      Superman2001

                                                                                                                                                      I don't think Richard is dead.

                                                                                                                                                        #20.5 - Wed May 19, 2010 2:27 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                                        pinkcap

                                                                                                                                                        I think that Richard has served the island long enough and deserves to be united with Isabella. I think he is dead and his final act of redemption was to go out and meet with the smoke monster so that Widmore, Zoe, and Miles could escape.

                                                                                                                                                        As for who could stay and be Jack's advisor, my guess is either Hurley or Desmond. Desmond already seems to be aware of what needs to happen in both worlds. If he isn't an advisor, maybe he'll take Eloise's place as a temporal policeman. Hurley, while not as enlightened as Desmond, does seem to have a confidence that he never had before. If he's not the advisor, I could see him staying on as temple master. He does seem more zen these days. Out of the two, Hurley would stay because he doesn't have much of a life back home. The only way Desmond would stay is if Penny and his son were brought to the island, unless he's able to live in two worlds.

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                                                                                                                                                        #20.6 - Wed May 19, 2010 4:12 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                                        Superman2001

                                                                                                                                                        It wasn't an act of redemption at all, because Widmore and Zoe didn't escape. He didn't do anything but get served up by Smokey. Sure, he deserves to be united with his wife, but I don't think that's happened yet. And I think he'd have gotten a more solid send-off if he were truly dead. He'd also get a burial, same as he gave Alex a burial and just like Locke got buried.

                                                                                                                                                        As far as the advisor is concerned, I don't think Richard has to stay in that role. I'm not even sure that there's going to be an advisor needed. I think the Island dynamic and hierarchy is going to completely change by the time it's all said and done -- four days to go!!! -- and the whole Others and Temple and stuff is going to be much different than it was before, if they even still exist.

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                                                                                                                                                        #20.7 - Wed May 19, 2010 4:21 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                                        OnlyChild

                                                                                                                                                        If smokey is neutralized, the whole protector role is changed. If Jack doesn't continually bring candidates to the island, he won't need an advisor. There won't be any Others or others. He'll just sit there - all alone. OK, the whispers. I always thought Kate would be the perfect protector - she doesn't need much company.

                                                                                                                                                          #20.8 - Wed May 19, 2010 4:54 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                                          kcjhawk

                                                                                                                                                          But who would she manipulate if she is by herself? LOL

                                                                                                                                                            #20.9 - Wed May 19, 2010 6:15 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                                            JohnBoy813

                                                                                                                                                            kcjhawk,

                                                                                                                                                            She can manipulate smokey, a few days alone with Kate and Nemesis will kill itself.

                                                                                                                                                              #20.10 - Wed May 19, 2010 7:17 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                                              Santa Rosa Mental Health Institute

                                                                                                                                                              LOL at johnboy - good thread here, I like the idea from Xnex about the light being the smokey prison. And hope/think there's another at-bat for Richard.

                                                                                                                                                              But I think the most frustrating thing about the last 2 episodes is that we're still left to wonder how Jacob filled all that time between now and "Across the Sea times" becoming a "number god" and being able to supernaturally "see" all his candidates over the years, be able to leave the island at will etc.

                                                                                                                                                              I am "alternately" in suspense and in mourning as the final episode approaches but this couldn't have been as rich a LOST experience without Steve and you folks to read and react to what we've seen. Thanks for being my "LOST church" people!

                                                                                                                                                                #20.11 - Sat May 22, 2010 1:28 AM EDT
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                                                                                                                                                                LightOwl8

                                                                                                                                                                I am so looking forward to Sunday, just to find out what happens and how things end up, but... the last episode... (sniff) I may be depressed next week.

                                                                                                                                                                •Why did knowing not to talk to Nemesis make Zoe "pointless"?
                                                                                                                                                                Those "no talking" rules were never explained too thoroughly, so I can only say that it might be part of that. We've heard this before. OR, Nemesis is just getting fed up from trying to get off the island for SO LONG, fighting the same kinds of fights, power struggles, etc, and, you know, being occasionally formless - at this point, he is just out of patience.

                                                                                                                                                                •Why can Jack now locate the Island's heart, when he couldn't before? Probably because he stepped up into the role and then Jacob told him where it was. Last week, the boys could only see the light when their Mother, as the current protector, was with them. That connection has to be there.

                                                                                                                                                                •What is Desmond's plan for gathering the (sideways) Losties? He is almost creepy right now, the way he knows how to find people and how to awaken their memories, which is not the same method for everyone. At least, I hope he knows, because otherwise he's really on a crazy trip. I'd kind of like to see him try to beat some memories back into Mr. Eko - although I realize that's not likely. Now to the question. Maybe getting the "awakened" 815ers all together in one place will be enough -- the rest of the memories will come rushing back and they'll have, like, a collective inspiration on what to do now. How cool would it be if Protector Jack appeared to them with a message, and gave them a choice (Jacob's magic word), and then half of them merged with their Island selves to save the Island and the light, and the other half got to continue living their new-and-improved sideways lives?

                                                                                                                                                                •How does Nemesis plan to use Desmond to destroy the Island?
                                                                                                                                                                This kind of depends on what it means that Desmond is Jacob's failsafe. Desmond's special abilities will come into play in either case

                                                                                                                                                                •How is Desmond a fail-safe for the candidates?
                                                                                                                                                                Ok, I'm listing these out of order because that's how I answered them. Let's think this out. Desmond is a fail-safe in case the candidates cannot do what they are supposed to do. What they're supposed to do is for one of the candidates to survive long enough to take Jacob's place as the new protector. I'm assuming that if none of them stepped up, or if none of them survived, that would constitute a fail. If there was no one left to protect the island, then maybe the last resort would be to sink it -- then either the light would go out (unknown consequences) or would perhaps become inaccessible or harder to reach. So if Desmond's true role is to be ready to sink the island or otherwise destroy it, maybe that's what already happened in the sideways world. Bear with me here. In sideways time, Oceanic 815 never crashed on the island, so this particular set of people was never available to be Jacob's candidates. If Jacob felt he had run out of options and had to reach for the last resort and found a way to sink the island (without Desmond), that could explain why it was already sunk there.

                                                                                                                                                                I still want to know more about what this light is, or what it represents. Hopefully that explanation will be part of the finale.

                                                                                                                                                                About Ben's turnaround - either he's giving up and being fatalistic that the powerful and scary Smoke Monster will probably win anyways OR he's playing one of those deceitful games we all know Ben is so good at. I hope it's the latter. Game-playing Nemesis vs. game-playing Ben would be much more worth watching.

                                                                                                                                                                I have to say, I also like the sideways Ben storyline. Dr. Linus may feel underappreciated, but shows that he has the capacity for goodness when in the right circumstances - plus, he's probably more appreciated than he realizes (or, in Danielle's case, is about to be.)

                                                                                                                                                                About the blond kid. Maybe Jacob kept appearing as a child because part of his ashes, his physical substance, was being carried around in a leather pouch. He didn't appear as a full sized adult again until after he got his ashes back from Hugo. Does anyone remember if Ilana picked up the ashes before or after Jacob first appeared to Hugo (to tell him to take Sayid to the temple)?

                                                                                                                                                                Does anyone know who did the voiceover at the end credits? Are we supposed to recognize it?

                                                                                                                                                                I love this show! I should say, though, that I don't necessarily believe my own theories - but I have great fun coming up with them!

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                                                                                                                                                                Reply#21 - Wed May 19, 2010 12:42 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                                                Aqualeo

                                                                                                                                                                The Big Questions:

                                                                                                                                                                • Why did knowing not to talk to Nemesis make Zoe "pointless"?

                                                                                                                                                                It doesn't really matter because she was pointless anyway. It has something to do with the "don't talk to them or your dead thing"

                                                                                                                                                                • How is Desmond a fail-safe for the candidates?

                                                                                                                                                                Desmond will be how the Losties are able to kill Smokey. It seems as if Desmond cannot be killed by anything on the island including Smokey. Like he is the ultimate weapon

                                                                                                                                                                • Why can Jack now locate the Island's heart, when he couldn't before?

                                                                                                                                                                Because he is the Protector now

                                                                                                                                                                • What is Desmond's plan for gathering the (sideways) Losties?

                                                                                                                                                                It's obvious they are all going to meet at the concert for David. I'm unsure what this event will do. Can it possibly jump them to the island or can they somehow effect whats going on On-island from the concert?

                                                                                                                                                                • How does Nemesis plan to use Desmond to destroy the Island?

                                                                                                                                                                He will push Desmond down the Light Well and this will somehow blow everything up. He will be able to do this but somehow Desmond will still defeat MIB

                                                                                                                                                                  Reply#22 - Wed May 19, 2010 1:03 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                                                  Deborah SG

                                                                                                                                                                  It's obvious they are all going to meet at the concert for David. I'm unsure what this event will do. Can it possibly jump them to the island or can they somehow effect whats going on On-island from the concert?

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                                                                                                                                                                  A tribute to Battlestar Galactica, when all the pieces start falling into place after Kara Thrace recognizes the song her father played to her when she was child?

                                                                                                                                                                  Naw, I'm stretching it, I know, with the BSG reference. But I do feel Lindeloff/Cuse intend the concert to be, in major part, a tribute to Michael Giacchino, Lost's Bear McCreary. (And two people I hold up to those who crit TV as the "boob tube" - genius can and does emerge from some TV series in the various arts, musical composition in this case.)

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                                                                                                                                                                  #22.1 - Wed May 19, 2010 1:20 PM EDT
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                                                                                                                                                                  Aqualeo

                                                                                                                                                                  From the conversation between Sideways Jack and Locke, I'm still getting the feeling for some reason that Locke Prime might come back when Jack fixes Locke's back

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                                                                                                                                                                  Reply#23 - Wed May 19, 2010 1:09 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                                                  Sabastian Palpatine

                                                                                                                                                                  I can't believe how emotionally involved I am in this show.....it's almost over....I need a moment...

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                                                                                                                                                                  Reply#24 - Wed May 19, 2010 1:22 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                                                  Sabastian Palpatine

                                                                                                                                                                  OK, I've managed to pull myself together momentarily. Just enough time to add my 1.2 cents....

                                                                                                                                                                  Some observations:

                                                                                                                                                                  RIP Charles Widmore and your second in command Dirty Tina Fey. I still don't get the whole "Don't let him speak" piece of advice given to potential Man In Black Slayers. It didn't work for Sayid. Jack didn't fall for the ole "I'll give you your hearts desire if you join me" routine. I think that FLocke just didn't have time to waste and therefore cut (no pun intended) through the small talk.

                                                                                                                                                                  Meanwhile, Freaky McPuppet Masterson aka Des Hume would make Island Ben (before he moved the Island), Jacob and MIB envious of Des' manipulation skills. The look on Des' face while he repeatedly punched "Sideways" Ben in the face was more than creepy.

                                                                                                                                                                  I trust that Des is working overtime to get people where they need to be ( Matthew
                                                                                                                                                                  Abaddon style )
                                                                                                                                                                  and seeing as though he is aware of both time lines he can be twice as effective in helping to defeat FLocke.

                                                                                                                                                                  -The line of the week:

                                                                                                                                                                  "I lived in these houses 30 years before you did... otherwise known as last week." -- Miles

                                                                                                                                                                  --As a lot of us predicted Jack drank Jacob's Kool Aid and Jack's been promoted to the title of assistant to the regional manger...sorry I meant Island protector. Kudos!

                                                                                                                                                                  In the bizarro universe Jack is visited by John Locke who is now attempting to "let go" and let Jack operate on his spinal injury. Locke voices his opinion that their recent events "happened for a reason" and that just maybe, Jack is "supposed" to fix him.

                                                                                                                                                                  And how does Jack respond? Jack suggests that Mr. Locke may be mistaking coincidence with fate.

                                                                                                                                                                  hrm, I disagree and so would my friend Mr. Echo....

                                                                                                                                                                  "What Kate Did"

                                                                                                                                                                  [Eko and Locke splicing the film together.]

                                                                                                                                                                  LOCKE: Voilà. What are the odds?

                                                                                                                                                                  EKO: The odds?

                                                                                                                                                                  LOCKE: Yeah. -- Here, hold this down on the table there nice and flat. I mean, think about it. Somebody made this film. Someone else cut this piece out. We crash -- 2 halves of the same plane fall in different parts of the island -- you're over there, I'm over here. And now, here's the missing piece right back where it belongs. What are the odds?

                                                                                                                                                                  EKO: Don't mistake coincidence for fate.

                                                                                                                                                                  Locke has the correct attitude. Whatever its called (coincidence/fate) he's ready to get out of his wheelchair.

                                                                                                                                                                  One final thing that I'd like to see Sunday night is a chance for the real (sideways time line) John Locke to answer MIB and the jabs that FLocke has been taking at John. With all of his "John was a sucker" etc. I'd love to see John Locke get the final word by killing The Man In Black. We'll see.

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                                                                                                                                                                  #24.1 - Wed May 19, 2010 3:49 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                                                  ctina1973

                                                                                                                                                                  assistant to the regional manger

                                                                                                                                                                  So is he gonna plant beets now? And who will be his Mose? lol

                                                                                                                                                                    #24.2 - Thu May 20, 2010 4:20 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                                                    Sabastian Palpatine

                                                                                                                                                                    Lost series finale spoiler:

                                                                                                                                                                    The Incident is not only the cause of the flash sideways time line but it also merged Lost with The Office resulting in Jack and Hurley opening a bed and breakfast :)

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                                                                                                                                                                    #24.3 - Thu May 20, 2010 9:46 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                                                    Sabastian Palpatine

                                                                                                                                                                    Ha! Look at what I've found....( Link )

                                                                                                                                                                      #24.4 - Sun May 23, 2010 2:54 PM EDT
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                                                                                                                                                                      danolson68

                                                                                                                                                                      Let us not forget that the island is sunken in the sideways reality...

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                                                                                                                                                                      Reply#25 - Wed May 19, 2010 1:53 AM EDT
                                                                                                                                                                      Superman2001

                                                                                                                                                                      Right. And what caused that? And what about Jacob and Nemesis in the sideways reality? Do they even exist? So many questions there that I had almost forgotten about...

                                                                                                                                                                      Almost. Don't let me down, Show.

                                                                                                                                                                        #25.1 - Wed May 19, 2010 3:53 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                                                        parent-43973

                                                                                                                                                                        From the opening scene of LA X, I've always thought that the crappy depiction of the "sunken" Island was meant to be purely allegorical. That is, something "happens" to the Island during this final season of Lost and renders it changed/useless/broken, i.e., "discarded", and how do you depict a discarded island except as sunk? But I never thought it was meant to refer to an actual submergence of the Island.

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                                                                                                                                                                        #25.2 - Wed May 19, 2010 6:19 PM EDT
                                                                                                                                                                        Superman2001

                                                                                                                                                                        Good call, parent-43973. You were right.

                                                                                                                                                                          #25.3 - Mon May 24, 2010 1:51 PM EDT
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